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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 8080459" data-attributes="member: 7023840">Many of the artifacts first appeared in Eldritch Wizardry (the Unearthed Arcana of OD&amp;D!) prior to the DMG. By Gygax and Blume. Your methodology is bizarre. This is somewhat akin to someone reading about &quot;Elminster's Staff&quot; and saying, &quot;Hey, since it doesn't say, 'Elminster's Staff, as located in the Sword Coast as detailed in the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting published by TSR' it isn't really a Forgotten Realms thing.&quot; I would find that to be .... incorrect. Quite frankly, if you are say that certain items (like Heward's Mystical Organ) are not identified with Greyhawk, I don't know what to say. Heck, if you are going to exclude items like the Axe of the Dwarvish Lords, presumably because it was lost in some unidentified yet specific Invoked Devastation, then I am guessing that we will never have compatible methodologies.Finally, this does not seem like a particularly relevant or fun discussion to have, since I had started by making an aside as to how there are many artifacts that have a base in Greyhawk (which seems both obvious and unobjectionable, given that artifacts are specific and unique items, and the history of D&amp;D vis-a-vis being written by Gygax), and you want to argue. It is just as true now, as it was then, that the existence of an artifact &quot;of Greyhawk&quot; (no matter how specific) did not prevent anyone from using it in their own campaign. Countless campaigns used these items regardless of their origination; just as, later on, people incorporated parts of the Forgotten Realms that were alluded to in Greenwood's Dragon Articles into their home campaigns without running FR and prior to the Gray Box.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 8080459, member: 7023840"] Many of the artifacts first appeared in Eldritch Wizardry (the Unearthed Arcana of OD&D!) prior to the DMG. By Gygax and Blume. Your methodology is bizarre. This is somewhat akin to someone reading about "Elminster's Staff" and saying, "Hey, since it doesn't say, 'Elminster's Staff, as located in the Sword Coast as detailed in the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting published by TSR' it isn't really a Forgotten Realms thing." I would find that to be .... incorrect. Quite frankly, if you are say that certain items (like Heward's Mystical Organ) are not identified with Greyhawk, I don't know what to say. Heck, if you are going to exclude items like the Axe of the Dwarvish Lords, presumably because it was lost in some [I]unidentified yet specific [/I]Invoked Devastation, then I am guessing that we will never have compatible methodologies. Finally, this does not seem like a particularly relevant or fun discussion to have, since I had started by making an aside as to how there are many artifacts that have a base in Greyhawk (which seems both obvious and unobjectionable, given that artifacts are specific and unique items, and the history of D&D vis-a-vis being written by Gygax), and you want to argue. It is just as true now, as it was then, that the existence of an artifact "of Greyhawk" (no matter how specific) did not prevent anyone from using it in their own campaign. Countless campaigns used these items regardless of their origination; just as, later on, people incorporated parts of the Forgotten Realms that were alluded to in Greenwood's Dragon Articles into their home campaigns without running FR and prior to the Gray Box. [/QUOTE]

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