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<blockquote data-quote="Orius" data-source="post: 8081460" data-attributes="member: 8863">Right, I know some of those old artifacts go back to EW, while some first showed up in the DMG.&nbsp; By 2e, a lot of them had been assigned to Greyhawk but some were always there or had a long association with the setting, while I think some others got dropped there in the Book of Artifacts which I think tried to link as many artifacts as possible to TSR's published settings at the time.&nbsp; I'm not certain there, because I don't make a lot of use of artifacts myself, given that they tend to be tied to particular settings, and they're also things that a DM bases whole adventures and campaigns around.I suspected as&nbsp; much about Vecna Lives, but I wasn't sure about any earlier references.&nbsp; That adventure was early 2e though.I have Dragon #224 and I've read that article.&nbsp; I also know about the adventure (IIRC wasn't Skip's article in #224 a promotion for the upcoming box?) but he also did another Dragon article later in 1996 (I think #233, but I'm not entirely sure) where he had suggestions for placing the adventure in some of the published settings including the Realms.Anyway, a lot of it feels like the early 1e modules that had a loose tie to Greyhawk.&nbsp; They had more or less official locations in the setting, but DMs were free to use them however they wanted.&nbsp;&nbsp; The Tomb of Horrors for example, is given 6 different suggested locations in Greyhawk, but there's little else tying into the setting.&nbsp; A few years later, The Temple of Elemental Evil is much more tightly integrated into the setting (to be fair, I've never compared it to T1 to see what kind of differences there are between the two though).&nbsp; D1-3 are the only other early 1e adventures I've looked at, and while they too are Greyhawk, I wasn't particularly interested in the setting ties myself, as I was researching material on the Underdark. So I don't remember exactly what Gary did to tie that in with Greyhawk, I was much more interested in his descriptions of the drow, kuo-toa, and Underdark in general.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Orius, post: 8081460, member: 8863"] Right, I know some of those old artifacts go back to EW, while some first showed up in the DMG. By 2e, a lot of them had been assigned to Greyhawk but some were always there or had a long association with the setting, while I think some others got dropped there in the Book of Artifacts which I think tried to link as many artifacts as possible to TSR's published settings at the time. I'm not certain there, because I don't make a lot of use of artifacts myself, given that they tend to be tied to particular settings, and they're also things that a DM bases whole adventures and campaigns around. I suspected as much about Vecna Lives, but I wasn't sure about any earlier references. That adventure was early 2e though. I have Dragon #224 and I've read that article. I also know about the adventure (IIRC wasn't Skip's article in #224 a promotion for the upcoming box?) but he also did another Dragon article later in 1996 (I think #233, but I'm not entirely sure) where he had suggestions for placing the adventure in some of the published settings including the Realms. Anyway, a lot of it feels like the early 1e modules that had a loose tie to Greyhawk. They had more or less official locations in the setting, but DMs were free to use them however they wanted. The Tomb of Horrors for example, is given 6 different suggested locations in Greyhawk, but there's little else tying into the setting. A few years later, The Temple of Elemental Evil is much more tightly integrated into the setting (to be fair, I've never compared it to T1 to see what kind of differences there are between the two though). D1-3 are the only other early 1e adventures I've looked at, and while they too are Greyhawk, I wasn't particularly interested in the setting ties myself, as I was researching material on the Underdark. So I don't remember exactly what Gary did to tie that in with Greyhawk, I was much more interested in his descriptions of the drow, kuo-toa, and Underdark in general. [/QUOTE]

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