Greyhawk help....

[JamesL85]

I'm trying to help one of the other DM's in my group find information on the City of Greyhawk (or Orme, as it's called in his campaign).

I've already bought him "Greyhawk: The Adventure Begins," "WG7 - Castle Greyhawk," and "World of Greyhawk Fantasy Game Setting" from RPGNow, but I'm curious if any of you OD&D players know of any more sources. I think I've just about exhausted the published stuff (at least, all that I could find), but maybe some of you know of some fansites, or something that might detail some (or hopefully a LOT) of the city, and can point me in the right direction.....

Edition doesn't matter, but we will be playing a 3.5 game....

Thanks

 

[Faraer]

Gary Gygax's original Greyhawk City was never published, but his novels, especially Saga of Old City and City of Hawks, have much information on it. The forthcoming Castle Zagyg: Yggsburgh will not detail the city itself but will have a town of similar feel and some shared places.

The official TSR version of the City was first published in the Sargent/Rose/Niles City of Greyhawk boxed set, which The Adventure Begins draws on heavily. More recently it's been remapped, and started to be detailed piecemeal, in Living Greyhawk Journal...

You won't find WG7 doing you much good: it's a satirical module lambasting Gary's Castle Greyhawk dungeons.

 

[grodog]

Hi James---

You should ditch Castle Greyhawk and find the Greyhawk Ruins module instead: Castle Greyhawk is a joke module, not for serious dungeon delvers.

You'll also want to check into the City of Greyhawk boxed set, especially, as well as the following other GH sources, quoted from Jason Zavoda's fabulous Greyhawk index:

City of Greyhawk [ADV]
DRG#37 Pg# - 11
DRG#195 Pg# - 95
DRG#208 Pg# - 50
DRG#230 Pg# - 8
DRG#262 Pg# - 43
DUN#42 Pg# - 32,33,34
FTAA Pg# - 2,45,50
FTAC Pg# - 2,3,11,13,20,21,25,26,45,46
LGJ#0 Pg# - 4
LGJ#2 Pg# - 4,19
RTO8 Pg# - 6-8,11,57,58
TAB:AM Pg# - 2,3
TD Pg# - 29
WG12 Pg# - 33
WGA1 Pg# - 2,9,15,23
WGA2 Pg# - 8,11,19
WGA3 Pg# - 2,5,27
WGA4 Pg# - 3,14,15,16,20,25,27
WGR4 Pg# - 38
WGR5 Pg# - 31,43

Greyhawk, City of (Pop 70,000+)[KNG](Pop 53,000)[TWN]
A1-4 Pg# - 23
AOE Pg# - 7,31-35,37,57,128,181,197,213
ATG Pg# - 70
BC Pg# - 106
CED Pg# - 7,8,9,13,72,73,82,83,85,87,90,91,102,115,116,118
,119,120,128,134,137,138,164,169,171,248,362,364
366
COH Pg# - 6,9,23,26,33,38,39,41,52,55,69,70,71,81,82,83,85
108,113,123,131,133,139,144,147,150,154,158,161,165,166
169,179,189,201,203,204,211,213,215,216,219,220,225
227,232,236,238,239,260,280,293,350,354,355,373,394,395
COLTM Pg# - 20,24,46
DOD Pg# - 7,10,12,17,21,169,285,380,403,404,406
DRG#9 Pg# - 5
DRG#37 Pg# - 10,11
DRG#52 Pg# - 18,19,20
DRG#55 Pg# - 18
DRG#57 Pg# - 13
DRG#67 Pg# - 26
DRG#68 Pg# - 42
DRG#69 Pg# - 28
DRG#86 Pg# - 34
DRG#100 Pg# - 23,28
DRG#167 Pg# - 13
DRG#178 Pg# - 17
DRG#185 Pg# - 59
DRG#191 Pg# - 64,65,66,68
DRG#195 Pg# - 94,95,96
DRG#196 Pg# - 84,85
DRG#206 Pg# - 24,25
DRG#225 Pg# - 53,54
DRG#233 Pg# - 92
DRG#241 Pg# - 42,47,78
DRG#243 Pg# - 91
DRG#249 Pg# - 90,93,94
DRG#253 Pg# - 43,46,47
DRG#262 Pg# - 37,38,39,40,41,42
DRG#265 Pg# - 59
DRG#268 Pg# - 70
DRG#269 Pg# - 64,66
DRG#270 Pg# - 60,61,62
DRG#271 Pg# - 77
DRG#284 Pg# - 64
DRG#287 Pg# - 26
DRG#292 Pg# - 95
DRG#293 Pg# - 90
DRG#294 Pg# - 90,91
DRG#295 Pg# - 92
DRG#297 Pg# - 91
DRG#298 Pg# - 71
DRG#299 Pg# - 97
DRG#300 Pg# - 89
DRG#301 Pg# - 16,87,88,90,92
DRG#AN3 Pg# - 96,97,102,104
DRG#AN4 Pg# - 19
DUN#13 Pg# - 17
DUN#30 Pg# - 23,28,29
DUN#41 Pg# - 48,49
DUN#42 Pg# - 32
DUN#73 Pg# - 58,59,60,61,62,73
DUN#77 Pg# - 32
DUN#85 Pg# - 75
FTA:SBM
FTAA Pg# - 2,4,9-12,15-17,19,20,27,32,34,37,42,45,47,
49,53,61,63,67,72,73,75,77,85,95
FTAC Pg# - 1-22,24-28,30-33,35-47,49-55,59,60,62-71,
74-77,79-82,84-86,88-91,96
FTAR#1
FTAR#3
GA Pg# - 3,4,9,13,20,27,35-39,42,47,49,51,78,79,81-83,
87,91,100,111,112
GDQ Pg# - 5
GW:ADV Pg# - 13,16,20,24,29
IVID
LGG Pg# - IC,2,14,16,31,37,38,40,42,51,52,58,75,78,79,87,91,96
102,116,118,119,121,123,124,126,140,141,142,144,148,149
150,152,156,162,173,189
LGJ#0 Pg# - 2,3,5,7,8,9,11
LGJ#1 Pg# - 1,4,21,26,28,31
LGJ#2 Pg# - 1,3,4,9,10,15,18,26,29
LGJ#3 Pg# - 22,27,29
LGJ#4 Pg# - 3,4,5,6,8,11,12,15,29,30
LGJ#5 Pg# - 4,6,7,9,29
LOG Pg# - 6,15,26,30,33,35,41,47,51,52
NA Pg# - 10-15,49-52,69,61,63,65,87,90,92,94,101,149,150,156,
158,163,164,170,171,175,182,197,227,231-233,235,237,
238,244,247,272,275-277,280,282,284,287,288,290,301,
302,305,306,311,313,314,324,331,337,338,341,346,351,
353,354,357,358,360,361,367,372,373,384,387-389,394-398
PGTG Pg# - 1-5,8,10,11,14-16,18,21-33,36,39,47-52,54-63
POLY#92 Pg# - 13,14,15,16,17
POLY#129 Pg# - 38,39
RTO8 Pg# - 2,4-9,18,20,32,33,34,44,54,59
RWPM Pg# - 12
S2 Pg# - 2
SLV Pg# - 3,5-9,11,12,14,16-20,24,27,30-34,36-40,43-45,
48,60,61,67,68,75,77,78,106,109,119,122-124,126
SOD Pg# - 40,41,45,49,52,55,56,58,59,61,63,64,66,70,71,134,324,
369-371,383-386,388,389
SOOC Pg# - 6,10,15,18,25,37,45,56,65,67,70,76,83-87,89,103,106,
108,114,254,338-340,342,343,348,351,352
T1-4 Pg# - 122
TAB Pg# - 1-9,12,14,16,19,32-35,37-48,50,53,54,56-128
TAB:AM Pg# - 1,2,5,7,9
TD Pg# - IBC,2-4,6,7,15,16,18,19,21,24,26-29,33,34,38,40,
41,43-46
TSB Pg# - 6,34,80
TSC Pg# - IC,2-4,6,11,14,17,19,22,23
WG5 Pg# - 3,21,24,26
WG6 Pg# - 6
WG8 Pg# - 83,87,122,126
WG11 Pg# - IC
WGA1 Pg# - IBC,1-11,13,14,18,19,21-23,28,31-34,40,43,45-48,50
51,58,64
WGA2 Pg# - 2,3,4,5,8,10-14,17,18,27,39,41-45,47,48,49,53,55,57
58
WGA3 Pg# - 2,3,4,5,6,7,9,10,12,14,20,23,24,25,27,28,29
,34,35,43,45,46,48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56
WGA4 Pg# - 3,6,8,13,18,19,22,25,27,28,29,30,31,32,38,47,49,55,68
78,79,83,89,91,92,95
WGG Pg# - IBC,2,5,7,11,18,19,21,22,24,25
WGM1 Pg# - IBC
WGR1 Pg# - 3,10,16,30,37,63,69,84,86
WGR2 Pg# - 7,10,11,12,13,14,18,38,75,82
WGR3 Pg# - 4,6-8,10-12,24,31,40,41,50
WGR4 Pg# - 2,6,8,9,11,14,23,32,34,37,39,56,59,61,62,63,66,95
WGR5 Pg# - 6,42,43,48,76
WOGA Pg# - IC,9,14,23,25,40,41,46,48,54,55,57,66,71
WOGG Pg# - 2,9,17,26,31,32,IBC

Here's a key to those abbreviations:

Encyclopedia Greyhawkania Index
A1 Slave Pits of the Undercity (A1)
A1-4 Scourge of the Slavelords (A1-4)
A2 Secret of the Slavers Stockade (A2)
A3 Assault on the Aerie of the Slave Lords (A3)
A4 In The Dungeons of the Slave Lords (A4)
The Adventure Begins (TAB)
The Adventure Begins: Adventure Maps (TAB:AM)
Against The Giants - The Liberation of Geoff - Adventure (ATG)
Artifact of Evil (AOE)
Bigbys Curse (BC)
C1 The Hidden Shrine of Tamoachan (C1)
C2 Ghost Tower of Inverness (C2)
Castles: Hart (HART)
City of Greyhawk: Adventure Cards (COG:C#)
City of Greyhawk: Folks, Feuds and Factions (COG:FFF)
City of Greyhawk: Gem of the Flanaess (COG:GOTF)
City of Hawks (COH)
Come Endless Darkness (CED)
The Complete Thiefs Handbook (CTH)
The Crypt of Lyzandred the Mad (COLTM)
D1 Descent into the Depths of the Earth (D1)
D2 Shrine of the Kuo-Toa (D2)
D3 Vault of the Drow (D3)
D1-2 Descent into the Depths of the Earth (D1-2)
Dance of Demons (DOD)
Dead Gods (DG)
The Doomgrinder (TD)
Dragon Magazine (DRG#)(1,2,3,5,6,7,9,19,37,43,52,55,56,57,59
,63,64,65,67,68,69,70,71,82,86,87,88,89,90,92,93,100
,131,139,141,164,167,171,173,178,185,188,189,191,194,195
,196,200,204,205,206,208,209,210,211,212,219,225,230,233
,236,238,241,242,243,245,246,249,253,256,258,262,263
,264,265,268,269,270,271,274,276,277,278,280,281,284,285,
287,288,290,291,292,293,294,295,296,297,298,299,300,
301,302,AN1,AN2,AN3,AN4)
Dungeon Magazine (DUN#)(6,13,19,30,32,41,42,53,70,71,72,73,77,
80,85,89,95)
Dungeon Masters Guide 1st Edition (DMG1)
Eldritch Wizardry (EW)
The Fright At Tristor (FAT)
From the Ashes: Atlas of the Flanaess (FTAA)
From the Ashes: Campaign Book (FTAC)
From the Ashes: References Card (FTAR#)(1-14)
From the Ashes: The Beckoner in the Dark (FTA:TBITD)
From the Ashes: Brainstorm (FTA:B)
From the Ashes: Dark Heart of Oak (FTAHOO)
From the Ashes: Honest Bandits (FTA:HB)
From the Ashes: Slavers By Midnight (FTA:SBM)
From the Ashes: Tamara Belongs to Me (FTA:TBTM)
G3 Hall of the Fire Giant King (G3)
G123 Against the Giants (G123)
GDQ1-7 Queen of the Spiders (GDQ)
Ghost Tower of Inverness (GTOI)
Greyhawk Adventures (GA)
Greyhawk Wars: Rule Book (GW:RB)
Greyhawk Wars: Adventures (GW:ADV)
I1 Dwellers of the Forbidden City (I1)
I7 Baltrons Beacon (I7)
I9 Day of Al'Akbar (I9)
IQ3 Warriors of the Gray Queen (IQ3)
Ivid the Undying (IVID)
L1 The Secret of Bone Hill (L1)
L2 The Assassins Knot (L2)
L3 Deep Dwarven Delve (L3)
Living Greyhawk Gazetteer (LGG)
Living Greyhawk Journal (LGJ#)(0,1,2,3,4,5)
Living Onnwal Gazetteer (LOG)
Lost Tomaochan: The Hidden Shrine of Lubaatum (LT)
Monster Manual (MMI)
Monster Manual II (MMII)
N1 Against the Cult of the Reptile God (N1)
Night Arrant (NA)
Official AD&D Coloring Album (OCA)
ONW1-01 Escape From Scant (ONW1-01)
ONW1-02 To Catch A Traitor (ONW1-02)
Players Guide to Greyhawk (PGTG)
Polyhedron Magazine (POLY#)(18,25,30,43,58,92,101,113,128,129,139)
Q1 Queen of the Demonweb Pits (Q1)
The Return of the Eight (RTO8)
Return to the Keep on the Borderland (RKB)
Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil (RT1-4)
Return to the Tomb of Horrors (RTOH)
Return to White Plume Mountain (RWPM)
Rogues Gallery (ROG)
S1 Tomb of Horrors (S1)
S2 White Plume Mountain (S2)
S2 White Plume Mountain {Expanded}(S2E)
S3 Expedition To The Barrier Peaks (S3)
S4 The Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth Book One (S4B1)
S4 The Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth Book Two (S4B2)
Saga of Old City (SOOC)
Sagard the Barbarian #1 The Ice Dragon (SAG1)
The Scarlet Brotherhood (TSB)
Sea of Death (SOD)
Shattered Circle (SC)
Siege of the Citadel (SOTT)
Slavers (SLV)
The Star Cairns (TSC)
Sword and Fist (SAF)
T1-4 Temple of Elemental Evil (T1-4)
Tomb of Horrors (TOH)
TSR Jam 1999 (JAM)
U1 The Sinister Secret of Saltmarsh (U1)
U2 Danger at Dunwater (U2)
U3 The Final Enemy (U3)
UK1 Beyond the Crystal Cave (UK1)
UK2 Sentinel (UK2)
UK3 Gauntlet (UK3)
Unearthed Arcana (UA)
Vecna Reborn (VR)
WG4 The Forgotten Temple of Tharizdun (WG4)
WG5 Mordenkainens Fantastic Adventure (WG5)
WG6 Isle of the Ape (WG6)
WG7 Castle Greyhawk (NOT WORTH INDEXING)
WG8 Fate of Istus (WG8)
WG10 Childs Play (WG10)
WG11 Puppets (WG11)
WG12 Vale of the Mage (WG12)
WGA1 Falcons Revenge (WGA1)
WGA2 Falconmaster (WGA2)
WGA3 Flames of the Falcon (WGA3)
WGA4 Vecna Lives! (WGA4)
WGM1 Borderwatch (WGM1)
WGQ1 Patriots of Ulek (WGQ1)
WGR1 Greyhawk Ruins (WGR1)
WGR2 Treasures of Greyhawk (WGR2)
WGR3 Rary the Traitor (WGR3)
WGR4 The Marklands (WGR4)
WGR5 Iuz the Evil (WGR5)
WGR6 City of Skulls (WGR6)
WGS1 The Five Shall Be One (WGS1)
WGS2 Howl From the North (WGS2)
World of Greyhawk Boxed Set: A guide to (WOGA)
World of Greyhawk Boxed Set: Glossography (WOGG)
World of Greyhawk Gazetteer (WGG)

Abbreviations
BC = Back Cover
DIS = Disclaimer
FC = Front Cover
HO = Hand Out
IBC = Inside Back Cover
IC = Inside Front Cover
IN = Insert

[ADV] = Module/Supplement
[BK] = Book
[BTL] = Battle/War
[BRG] = Bridges
[CAL] = Date/Event/Time
[CAP] = Capitol
[CLN] = Clan/Family/Tribe
[CLS] = Class, Occupation, Profession
[COIN] = Coinage
[CTL] = Castle/Fort/Camp
[GLD] = Guild/League/Union
[GTE] = Gates
[ILE] = Islands
[INN] = Inn/Tavern/Bar/Restaurant
[ITM] = Item/Spell
[KNG] = Country/Kingdom/Province
[LIB] = Library
[LNG] = Language
[MNE] = Mine
[MON] = Monster
[MT] = Mountain/Hill
[ORG] = Organization/Society
[PHL] = Philosophy/Belief
[PLC] = Place
[PLN] = Plane/Dimension
[PPL] = People/Organization/Position
[PRV] = Province
[QTR] = City Quarter/Districts/Buildings/Offices
[RVR] = River/Lake/Stream
[SCL] = College/School
[SHP] = Shop
[STR] = Street/Road/Path
[TMP] = Temple/Church/Shrine
[TRT] = Treaty
[TWN] = City/Town/Village
[WD] = Woods/Forest/Jungle
[WST] = Wasteland

Enjoy!

 

[DMScott]

I'm trying to help one of the other DM's in my group find information on the City of Greyhawk (or Orme, as it's called in his campaign).

I've already bought him "Greyhawk: The Adventure Begins," "WG7 - Castle Greyhawk," and "World of Greyhawk Fantasy Game Setting" from RPGNow, but I'm curious if any of you OD&D players know of any more sources.

There are actually several versions of the setting, so it depends somewhat on what version of Greyhawk's history you're using. I see there as being about three major versions:

Original version - from the folio, and later boxed set, published in the 1st edition days. While there's a considerable amount of history associated with the setting, it's mostly covered in old out-of-print adventures and articles in the first 60 or so issues of Dragon; most often this set is a starting point for however a particular DM wanted to flesh things out.

Greyhawk Wars/From the Ashes - basically the second edition version, this was an attempt to basically redraw the Greyhawk political map (as a result of a series of wars) and give it a different tone, since the Forgotten Realms had basically taken over as the default setting. A lot of Greyhawk's audience were (and are) split over whether this was a good thing. IMHO, the quality of the various supplements was much higher than average, so even though I didn't like the metaplot I still used a decent amount of this when I played Greyhawk.

Living Greyhawk - in third edition, Greyhawk became the default setting for D&D, but WOTC didn't want to run a metaplot. So they only published a couple of supplements, set some years after the "From the Ashes" setting with a few of the major conflicts dialed back to "simmer". Then they basically gave the setting to the RPGA, who publish adventures and run events for their members.

EBay is your friend for any older stuff you might want, but for currently published material Living Greyhawk is probably the way to go:

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=lg/welcome

Many of the folks involved in LG are long-time Greyhawk fans, so surfing some of their websites will probably expose you to a lot of older material.

 

[Ron]

I would say that The City of Greyhawk Boxed Set, for second edition AD&D is the best source about the City of Greyhawk. However, as you already have The Adventure Begins, I'm not sure how much it will add to your game, perhaps better graphics (in colour), and the great mini-adventures.

As posted before, some of the City of Greyhawk's districts were updated to third edition in early issues of the Living Greyhawk Journa, however, I wouldn't mind much about differences between editions as most of the previously cited material is nearly free of rules.

 

[francisca]

You'll also want to check into the City of Greyhawk boxed set, especially, as well as the following other GH sources, quoted from Jason Zavoda's fabulous Greyhawk index:

How timely! I too am starting a new greyhawk campaign after the first of the year. Thanks for this great listing, Grodog!

 

[JamesL85]

WOW!!!!

I hope my MailWasher doesn't have EnWorlds reminders blocked (anyone know what server the mail comes from when you subscribe to a thread???). I was wondering if no one on these boards ever HEARD of Greyhawk there for a while....

Boy was I WRONG!!!!

Grodog.....Thanks a TON!!! I do have the Dragon Annual (or whatever the CD's with the first 250 issues of Dragon) and I have a friend that has all the issues from there on. Thanks a bunch.

Also, thanks to everyone else who chimed in. I spent most of the afternoon looking for the City of Greyhawk in pdf form. The closest thing I found was that Bastion Press had it on it's schedule to be done when Wizards told them to stop (that one had to have been a HUGE brain fart on someone's part). I tried to find the boxed set on ebay, but no luck. Found 9 copies on Amazon, ranging from $30 to $85+. I was kind of hoping for a $5 or $10 download....LOL

Again, thanks to everyone for helping me (and my friend) out....

 

[grodog]

I was wondering if no one on these boards ever HEARD of Greyhawk there for a while....

Boy was I WRONG!!!!

There are a fair number of GH fans on ENWorld, as well as in various GH-specific forums and sites. I have a list of GH forums/sites on my web page that I recommend if you're looking to hook up with some GH fans: http://www.greyhawkonline.com/grodog/gh_links.html

Of the sites I list there, the WotC GH forum, Canonfire's forums/the Greytalk list, and the GH forums on Pied Piper and Dragonsfoot are probably the most productive and generally useful ones out there. There are also a fair number of GH folks on ENWorld and at the Necromancer Games forums, too.

Grodog.....Thanks a TON!!! I do have the Dragon Annual (or whatever the CD's with the first 250 issues of Dragon) and I have a friend that has all the issues from there on. Thanks a bunch.

You're welcome, though the list is the work of long-time Greytalk member Jason Zavoda---I'm merely a frequest user of his work You'll also want to try to pick up the first five issues of the Living Greyhawk Journal, which were published separately from Dragon, Dungeon, and Polyhedron for a little while. As Ron mentioned, there are two or three articles about the City of Greyhawk in those early issues, and IIRC Paizo recently put them up for sale on their web site, too (though I think they're a bit pricey).

Also, thanks to everyone else who chimed in. I spent most of the afternoon looking for the City of Greyhawk in pdf form. The closest thing I found was that Bastion Press had it on it's schedule to be done when Wizards told them to stop (that one had to have been a HUGE brain fart on someone's part).

I hadn't realized that CoG hadn't ever been .pdf'd in the ESD project. If you have The Adventure Begins, you'll have a pretty good basis for the city. You should also check out some of the Gygax "Gord" novels, which have a lot of action in the city, as well as the upcoming Castle Zagyg project he and Rob Kuntz are publishing via Troll Lord Games, which will be of use, I'm sure.

I tried to find the boxed set on ebay, but no luck. Found 9 copies on Amazon, ranging from $30 to $85+. I was kind of hoping for a $5 or $10 download....LOL

If you look for it on eBay, NobleKnight.com, or one of the other OOP dealers, you should be able to find a copy for $25-40, if you're willing to be patient.

 

[qstor]

Of course there's always canonfire.com as well!

Mike

 

[diaglo]

I was wondering if no one on these boards ever HEARD of Greyhawk there for a while....

Boy was I WRONG!!!!

we exist. some of us were just on vacation.