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<blockquote data-quote="Coroc" data-source="post: 7804306" data-attributes="member: 6895991"><p>Well Tieflings are not that big problem if:</p><p></p><p>You mainly make them quite humanlike with a few quirks which means no tails or massive horns or glowing red eyes, but small alterations only visible on second glance, e.g. cat like pupils, very small protruding horns easily disguisable by a helmet or a hat, maybe a cloven hoof for a foot also concealable by pretending to have a limp.</p><p></p><p>For PCs or NPCs working with the PCs make some reason, why they would oppose Iuz which is the biggest force of evil in the campaign. This gets harder if you intend to have Tanar'ri (demonic) origin for your tiefling, then they normally would be natural allies of Iuz . If you have them originate from yugoloth or devils things getting easier. Unless, of course you plan an all evil campaign, then tieflings make perfect sense.</p><p></p><p>Dragonborn otoh is a whole different issue. Most civilized cities would eventually let halforcs in, if they are "humanlike". With orcs, no. Ok there is some inn in greyhawk which got an ogre or hillgiant innkeeper if I can remember correctly, but that was done for the uh oh effect back then, and not to be inclusive to a mob race. It was totally intended and designed to be a singularity, an oddity.</p><p>A singiularity is no base for a PC race. There are good dragons (maybe bad dragons too) shapeshifted to humans acting in the human cities, but even though they are recognized as a (major) force of good, they would use their human form when inside a city, to not stir up things.</p><p>Having some sort of Lizardman (related to dragons, especially chromatic dragons) running around in humanocentric cities on oerth is not possible without contradicting the tone of everything published so far.</p><p></p><p>Greyhawk even had (neutral aligned!) dwarves being on the opposite side of the party, they got intra human prejustice e.g. scarlet brotherhood so lizardlike humanoids, be they peaceful as they might are not a good addition w/o shoehorning things.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Coroc, post: 7804306, member: 6895991"] Well Tieflings are not that big problem if: You mainly make them quite humanlike with a few quirks which means no tails or massive horns or glowing red eyes, but small alterations only visible on second glance, e.g. cat like pupils, very small protruding horns easily disguisable by a helmet or a hat, maybe a cloven hoof for a foot also concealable by pretending to have a limp. For PCs or NPCs working with the PCs make some reason, why they would oppose Iuz which is the biggest force of evil in the campaign. This gets harder if you intend to have Tanar'ri (demonic) origin for your tiefling, then they normally would be natural allies of Iuz . If you have them originate from yugoloth or devils things getting easier. Unless, of course you plan an all evil campaign, then tieflings make perfect sense. Dragonborn otoh is a whole different issue. Most civilized cities would eventually let halforcs in, if they are "humanlike". With orcs, no. Ok there is some inn in greyhawk which got an ogre or hillgiant innkeeper if I can remember correctly, but that was done for the uh oh effect back then, and not to be inclusive to a mob race. It was totally intended and designed to be a singularity, an oddity. A singiularity is no base for a PC race. There are good dragons (maybe bad dragons too) shapeshifted to humans acting in the human cities, but even though they are recognized as a (major) force of good, they would use their human form when inside a city, to not stir up things. Having some sort of Lizardman (related to dragons, especially chromatic dragons) running around in humanocentric cities on oerth is not possible without contradicting the tone of everything published so far. Greyhawk even had (neutral aligned!) dwarves being on the opposite side of the party, they got intra human prejustice e.g. scarlet brotherhood so lizardlike humanoids, be they peaceful as they might are not a good addition w/o shoehorning things. [/QUOTE]
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