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<blockquote data-quote="Urriak Uruk" data-source="post: 7805002" data-attributes="member: 7015558"><p>I've actually said this before a couple times earlier in the thread, I actually don't really mind if Dragonborn are added as long as their origin is from a far-off land and are treated with a mixture of fascination/horror in the Flaenass. Something like that doesn't really change the underlying status-quo of Greyhawk much and adds new lore to an area that wouldn't normally get it.</p><p></p><p>It's much the same approach that GoS took to adding a Tiefling (there is one NPC from the cambion-ruled nation there, but the book goes out of its way to say that tieflings/dragonborn PCs would be treated as utterly alien). It's one I largely agree with.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>When Greyhawk came out, it was essentially the <em>only and first</em> D&D setting (unless your counting Blackmoor). The game of D&D moved on from then, adding way more material, a lot of material that some would argue make no sense in the context Greyhawk establishes.</p><p></p><p>And look, I agree with you that Greyhawk has a metric ton of player options, not just for Elves but also for humans, adding things like the gold-skinned Baklunish and the albino violet-eyed Suel.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ravnica doesn't address all the races in the PHB. But it's still a good book, and a successful one in sales. So no, this isn't necessary.</p><p></p><p>Look (and this is to everybody), I'm not actually against any changes to Greyhawk, I'm not even for a full reset (I like Age of Worms for example). I think change can be good, it can create more material that is useful and interesting.</p><p></p><p>What I am <em>not </em>in favor for is change for the sake of change. 4e Dark Sun took two of its unique-looking races, Dray and Half-Giants, and made them Dragonborn and Goliath under different names. That weakened what Dark Sun was, and I don't want the same to happen to Greyhawk.</p><p></p><p>The changes GoS made by adding a Tiefling were positive; none of the old material was contradicted, the setting's tone remained consistent, and a race was introduced that made sense within the context presented. The same can be done with other races like Dragonborn.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: I think I've made my case here, not sure I have anything more to add.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Urriak Uruk, post: 7805002, member: 7015558"] I've actually said this before a couple times earlier in the thread, I actually don't really mind if Dragonborn are added as long as their origin is from a far-off land and are treated with a mixture of fascination/horror in the Flaenass. Something like that doesn't really change the underlying status-quo of Greyhawk much and adds new lore to an area that wouldn't normally get it. It's much the same approach that GoS took to adding a Tiefling (there is one NPC from the cambion-ruled nation there, but the book goes out of its way to say that tieflings/dragonborn PCs would be treated as utterly alien). It's one I largely agree with. When Greyhawk came out, it was essentially the [I]only and first[/I] D&D setting (unless your counting Blackmoor). The game of D&D moved on from then, adding way more material, a lot of material that some would argue make no sense in the context Greyhawk establishes. And look, I agree with you that Greyhawk has a metric ton of player options, not just for Elves but also for humans, adding things like the gold-skinned Baklunish and the albino violet-eyed Suel. Ravnica doesn't address all the races in the PHB. But it's still a good book, and a successful one in sales. So no, this isn't necessary. Look (and this is to everybody), I'm not actually against any changes to Greyhawk, I'm not even for a full reset (I like Age of Worms for example). I think change can be good, it can create more material that is useful and interesting. What I am [I]not [/I]in favor for is change for the sake of change. 4e Dark Sun took two of its unique-looking races, Dray and Half-Giants, and made them Dragonborn and Goliath under different names. That weakened what Dark Sun was, and I don't want the same to happen to Greyhawk. The changes GoS made by adding a Tiefling were positive; none of the old material was contradicted, the setting's tone remained consistent, and a race was introduced that made sense within the context presented. The same can be done with other races like Dragonborn. EDIT: I think I've made my case here, not sure I have anything more to add. [/QUOTE]
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