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<blockquote data-quote="TwiceBorn2" data-source="post: 9494442" data-attributes="member: 7017725">To be fair though, both the 1980 Greyhawk Folio and 1983 boxed set were published before any Forgotten Realms or Dragonlance product. If isolationist elves are a boring trope, it may be because they were replicated in many other D&amp;D settings that came after (and were more detailed than) Greyhawk. And, let's face it, the trope has its roots in Tolkien.How different are isolationist elves from setting to setting? However different the DM decides to make them...Truth is, they really don't need to be all that different. They just need to be sufficiently interesting for a DM and players to want to do something with them, regardless of setting. That said, I can fully appreciate why you might want to leave that trope behind in your campaign. It's been the &quot;classic fantasy default&quot; for quite some time, and there's nothing wrong with shaking things up a bit.If Greyhawk doesn't appeal to you, the good news is you have the liberty to make your own setting and elvish nations from scratch (or to strip your setting of elves altogether),&nbsp; or to use or borrow from the hundreds of other settings in existence.But you already knew that...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TwiceBorn2, post: 9494442, member: 7017725"] To be fair though, both the 1980 Greyhawk Folio and 1983 boxed set were published before any Forgotten Realms or Dragonlance product. If isolationist elves are a boring trope, it may be because they were replicated in many other D&D settings that came after (and were more detailed than) Greyhawk. And, let's face it, the trope has its roots in Tolkien. How different are isolationist elves from setting to setting? However different the DM decides to make them... Truth is, they really don't need to be all that different. They just need to be sufficiently interesting for a DM and players to want to do something with them, regardless of setting. That said, I can fully appreciate why you might want to leave that trope behind in your campaign. It's been the "classic fantasy default" for quite some time, and there's nothing wrong with shaking things up a bit. If Greyhawk doesn't appeal to you, the good news is you have the liberty to make your own setting and elvish nations from scratch (or to strip your setting of elves altogether), or to use or borrow from the hundreds of other settings in existence. But you already knew that... [/QUOTE]

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