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<blockquote data-quote="Magister Ludorum" data-source="post: 7996189" data-attributes="member: 6862253"><p>I didn't say that. The gender maximum argument is in a second section that begins, "I've even seen ...." Twice I've walked away from threads because I couldn't keep reading without getting myself a warning from the moderators.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Neither do I, so we're in agreement. But Greyhawk has always been a kitchen sink setting. When new material came out (<em>Fiend Folio</em>, for example], it was incorporated into adventure modules (not everything, but a lot of it). I will say that they never incorporated setting specific material like wild magic and dead magic zones. Forgotten Realms is the setting that does that, probably because it is the default setting for 5e.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I would be in favor of most of that, so long as we're talking about Vancian flavor not going back to an earlier iteration of Vancian wizards.</p><p></p><p>I always prefer less epic storylines. So-called <em>Realms Shaking Events</em> leave me cold.</p><p></p><p>The sci-fi crossover is another Greyhawk element that is distinct from other settings published by TSR.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is where we agree 100%. I would buy a new Greyhawk setting even though I'm not jumping up and down asking for one.</p><p></p><p>Unhealthy nostalgia for a 1970s aesthetic and play style is likely to prevent WOTC from moving forward with a new Greyhawk setting book.</p><p></p><p>I have seen arguments in these forums for every element I've bulleted in my original post. The first section contains common arguments. The second section contains really egregious arguments that I've seen here (on the forums, not this thread) that are thankfully uncommon. They are however connected to the first section because they also rely on nostalgia, although an extreme version that most posters have the decency to avoid.</p><p></p><p>Sorry if someone thought I was claiming that the second section was common, or that I had seen it in this thread.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Magister Ludorum, post: 7996189, member: 6862253"] I didn't say that. The gender maximum argument is in a second section that begins, "I've even seen ...." Twice I've walked away from threads because I couldn't keep reading without getting myself a warning from the moderators. Neither do I, so we're in agreement. But Greyhawk has always been a kitchen sink setting. When new material came out ([I]Fiend Folio[/I], for example], it was incorporated into adventure modules (not everything, but a lot of it). I will say that they never incorporated setting specific material like wild magic and dead magic zones. Forgotten Realms is the setting that does that, probably because it is the default setting for 5e. I would be in favor of most of that, so long as we're talking about Vancian flavor not going back to an earlier iteration of Vancian wizards. I always prefer less epic storylines. So-called [I]Realms Shaking Events[/I] leave me cold. The sci-fi crossover is another Greyhawk element that is distinct from other settings published by TSR. This is where we agree 100%. I would buy a new Greyhawk setting even though I'm not jumping up and down asking for one. Unhealthy nostalgia for a 1970s aesthetic and play style is likely to prevent WOTC from moving forward with a new Greyhawk setting book. I have seen arguments in these forums for every element I've bulleted in my original post. The first section contains common arguments. The second section contains really egregious arguments that I've seen here (on the forums, not this thread) that are thankfully uncommon. They are however connected to the first section because they also rely on nostalgia, although an extreme version that most posters have the decency to avoid. Sorry if someone thought I was claiming that the second section was common, or that I had seen it in this thread. [/QUOTE]
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