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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 7996437" data-attributes="member: 6855114"><p>I could not agree more. I would not return to these misogynistic bias. I have 3 women playing with me. They're really good fun players and going this route would be something I would not tolerate myself. I got rid of these as early as 1983 and for good reasons. You are absolutely right on that.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I would tend to disagree. They should make Greyhawk for its fans. They are the ones that wants an updated Greyhawk after all. But... see the next point.</p><p></p><p></p><p>And this is where you litterally nailed it. THIS is exactly what I want my Greyhawk to be. Except for the faction thing. But I give you that factions should not be as prominent as in Ravnica. Again, this should be something that stay in the DM's hands.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Greyhawk, if they do it, should be made both for the old timers like me and for the new fans. Without going into the world shaking event that they did with the Forgotten Realm and with the From the Ashes box set, there must be a way to bring all of the PHB and the other newer stuff into the setting. There must be some middle ground that will be satisfactory for everyone. I know I have incorporated dragonborns and tieflings into the setting without changing much and shared it with other DM in my area and they liked it. If I could do it to the satisfaction of other old DM like me, so can the people at WoTC.</p><p></p><p>The real problem is that I don't necessarily want new subclasses in Greyhawk. We can manage without these. Up to a certain point, even factions could be dropped (even if it would be my prefered way of doing things.) All this to say, that I want a new, updated Greyhawk badly enough to almost accept anything. The days where I could pass zounds of hours to prepare a setting or an adventure are long gone with work, family and friends.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 7996437, member: 6855114"] I could not agree more. I would not return to these misogynistic bias. I have 3 women playing with me. They're really good fun players and going this route would be something I would not tolerate myself. I got rid of these as early as 1983 and for good reasons. You are absolutely right on that. I would tend to disagree. They should make Greyhawk for its fans. They are the ones that wants an updated Greyhawk after all. But... see the next point. And this is where you litterally nailed it. THIS is exactly what I want my Greyhawk to be. Except for the faction thing. But I give you that factions should not be as prominent as in Ravnica. Again, this should be something that stay in the DM's hands. Greyhawk, if they do it, should be made both for the old timers like me and for the new fans. Without going into the world shaking event that they did with the Forgotten Realm and with the From the Ashes box set, there must be a way to bring all of the PHB and the other newer stuff into the setting. There must be some middle ground that will be satisfactory for everyone. I know I have incorporated dragonborns and tieflings into the setting without changing much and shared it with other DM in my area and they liked it. If I could do it to the satisfaction of other old DM like me, so can the people at WoTC. The real problem is that I don't necessarily want new subclasses in Greyhawk. We can manage without these. Up to a certain point, even factions could be dropped (even if it would be my prefered way of doing things.) All this to say, that I want a new, updated Greyhawk badly enough to almost accept anything. The days where I could pass zounds of hours to prepare a setting or an adventure are long gone with work, family and friends. [/QUOTE]
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