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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ipissimus" data-source="post: 4162972" data-attributes="member: 41514">I think it's more of an inherent design flaw with high level play in 1E, 2E and 3E. High level play vs. big bads tend to go one of two ways: near-instant monster death or near-instant TPK. Or, a third option, both sides grind away at each other without any particular resolution for hours then one side will snap.Can't speak for 4E but killing save or die effects is a step in the right direction.But yeah, having run alot of Paizo dungeons, I found I had to tweak everything to reflect my PC's abilities. There are just some encounters you look at and you know they're a TPK waiting to happen or your PCs will just walk all over the monster in 2 rounds.Your party sounds like it was hampered by a lack of effective glass cannons. Not knowing the Fang Dragon would've also been nasty, you really need to hit a Dragon's weak point with high damage output spells that work on the Dragon's weakness (eg hitting reds with cold spells).But yeah, I have to agree that 3E is more about optimizing characters. That's never been a problem for my group, since they're already munchkins that way (not that there's anything wrong with that IMO, just a different style of play).</blockquote>