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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8650390" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>Greyhawk is indeed a historic setting - but all that necessarily means is that in the words of Indiana Jones "It belongs in a museum" - alongside Blackmoor and Mystara.</p><p></p><p>What WotC wants from its non-Realms settings is that they do something very well that the existing ones don't - so Ravenloft, Theros, the Feywild, Spelljammer, and even Strixhaven are all very different from the de facto three core settings of the Realms, Eberron, and Exandria/Critical Role. I don't think the Nentir Vale is coming back as an independent setting because other than different ruins you could more or less just drop it somewhere in the middle of nowhere in Exandria; it even uses the same pantheon complete with the Dawn War.</p><p></p><p>This is the question...</p><p></p><p>And it's wisest not to confuse the fans of the local football derby (or pick any sports rivalry) - but they are two teams in the same town playing the same sport.</p><p></p><p>What caused the Mourning in Eberron? What is [insert realm of questions here] in Exandria? </p><p></p><p>If you want different forms of government in tension then have I got an Eberron for you?</p><p></p><p>The reason DL is getting a setting book tho is that it is very different from the existing settings. It's Good Vs Evil with Saturday Morning Cartoon levels of flamboyance and clear cut sides.</p><p></p><p>Agreed.</p><p></p><p>Isn't this just Dark Sun? Or the Nentir Vale? Or even the North of the Realms.</p><p></p><p>Eberron covers this.</p><p></p><p>Hi again Dark Sun. Or even early DragonLance.</p><p></p><p>And this is part of the problem. The Feywild is part of 5e cosmology. Eberron has magitech and warforged and Cthuloid monstrosities. Exandria has Chronurgists and Echo Knights. Dark Sun has Thri-Keen. Spelljammer just is Gonzo. And Greyhawk? Even core and highly popular races like Dragonborn and Tieflings are ultra-rare.</p><p></p><p>Greyhawk looks less gonzo than any modern setting. And "Gonzo ... because there's a crashed spaceship" is a really hard pitch in the year of an updated Spelljammer.</p><p></p><p>Exactly. There's no unique selling point presented. All we have is "Greyhawk is old"</p><p></p><p>WotC tried to make Greyhawk happen at the end of the 90s and again with 3.0, making it the default setting, using "Back to the dungeon" as a tagline, and with Living Greyhawk. It didn't happen twenty years ago; what has changed to make a revival now more likely to work?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 8650390, member: 87792"] Greyhawk is indeed a historic setting - but all that necessarily means is that in the words of Indiana Jones "It belongs in a museum" - alongside Blackmoor and Mystara. What WotC wants from its non-Realms settings is that they do something very well that the existing ones don't - so Ravenloft, Theros, the Feywild, Spelljammer, and even Strixhaven are all very different from the de facto three core settings of the Realms, Eberron, and Exandria/Critical Role. I don't think the Nentir Vale is coming back as an independent setting because other than different ruins you could more or less just drop it somewhere in the middle of nowhere in Exandria; it even uses the same pantheon complete with the Dawn War. This is the question... And it's wisest not to confuse the fans of the local football derby (or pick any sports rivalry) - but they are two teams in the same town playing the same sport. What caused the Mourning in Eberron? What is [insert realm of questions here] in Exandria? If you want different forms of government in tension then have I got an Eberron for you? The reason DL is getting a setting book tho is that it is very different from the existing settings. It's Good Vs Evil with Saturday Morning Cartoon levels of flamboyance and clear cut sides. Agreed. Isn't this just Dark Sun? Or the Nentir Vale? Or even the North of the Realms. Eberron covers this. Hi again Dark Sun. Or even early DragonLance. And this is part of the problem. The Feywild is part of 5e cosmology. Eberron has magitech and warforged and Cthuloid monstrosities. Exandria has Chronurgists and Echo Knights. Dark Sun has Thri-Keen. Spelljammer just is Gonzo. And Greyhawk? Even core and highly popular races like Dragonborn and Tieflings are ultra-rare. Greyhawk looks less gonzo than any modern setting. And "Gonzo ... because there's a crashed spaceship" is a really hard pitch in the year of an updated Spelljammer. Exactly. There's no unique selling point presented. All we have is "Greyhawk is old" WotC tried to make Greyhawk happen at the end of the 90s and again with 3.0, making it the default setting, using "Back to the dungeon" as a tagline, and with Living Greyhawk. It didn't happen twenty years ago; what has changed to make a revival now more likely to work? [/QUOTE]
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