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GREYHAWKCONFIRMED! Reflections on Greyhawk in the DMG
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<blockquote data-quote="Saracenus" data-source="post: 9399320" data-attributes="member: 47839"><p>Azzy, I really wish this were true. </p><p></p><p>Unfortunately that has not been the case. With the ejection of Gygax in 1985 from TSR and initial 2e Greyhawk material being perceived as a lot of [deleted] and then TSR going after fan sites trying to consolidate control of the setting in the pre-internet AOL forums, there arose an idea that fans had to protect and preserve Greyhawk from TSR. That led to the idea of canon and a emphasis on lore vs. emergent story.</p><p></p><p>Even when TSR shifted gears and embraced fan input this canon/lore emphasis persisted. I cannot tell you how vicious the internal fights over canon vs. "fanon" were in those days. There really was no place for someone who was trying to develop their own Greyhawk online at that time. The only way you got your version of Greyhawk to stick was to get published by TSR. The culmination of this was the Living Greyhawk Gazetteer (LGG) written by Gary Holian, Erik Mona, Sean K Reynolds, and Frederick Weining. Yeah, more was published in the Living Greyhawk Magazine (first as a stand alone mag and then subsumed into Dragon/Dungeon) but the LGG was the source for 591 CY Greyhawk and it was the 83 box set of its time.</p><p></p><p>The idea of making Greyhawk your own in a public way (plenty of folks were doing it in private) didn't really gain a public voice until at the 2019 GaryCon seminar, <em>Celebrating Greyhawk: A Fandom Renaissance*</em>, when a group of us chafing under the canon lore centric paradigm started advocating the idea of "Infinite Oerths" and fan created material being just as valid as what TSR/WotC has published. </p><p></p><p>The main difference between Greyhawk fandom and the Forgotten Realms fandom is size, FR dwarfs us by a long mile.</p><p></p><p>* = Full disclosure, I am one of the panelists. The panel consisted of Bryan Blumklotz (me), Mike Bridges, Allan Grohe, Carlos Lising, Anna Meyer, and Kit Nolen. See the seminar below:</p><p></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]6nP079G1Ts8[/MEDIA]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Saracenus, post: 9399320, member: 47839"] Azzy, I really wish this were true. Unfortunately that has not been the case. With the ejection of Gygax in 1985 from TSR and initial 2e Greyhawk material being perceived as a lot of [deleted] and then TSR going after fan sites trying to consolidate control of the setting in the pre-internet AOL forums, there arose an idea that fans had to protect and preserve Greyhawk from TSR. That led to the idea of canon and a emphasis on lore vs. emergent story. Even when TSR shifted gears and embraced fan input this canon/lore emphasis persisted. I cannot tell you how vicious the internal fights over canon vs. "fanon" were in those days. There really was no place for someone who was trying to develop their own Greyhawk online at that time. The only way you got your version of Greyhawk to stick was to get published by TSR. The culmination of this was the Living Greyhawk Gazetteer (LGG) written by Gary Holian, Erik Mona, Sean K Reynolds, and Frederick Weining. Yeah, more was published in the Living Greyhawk Magazine (first as a stand alone mag and then subsumed into Dragon/Dungeon) but the LGG was the source for 591 CY Greyhawk and it was the 83 box set of its time. The idea of making Greyhawk your own in a public way (plenty of folks were doing it in private) didn't really gain a public voice until at the 2019 GaryCon seminar, [I]Celebrating Greyhawk: A Fandom Renaissance*[/I], when a group of us chafing under the canon lore centric paradigm started advocating the idea of "Infinite Oerths" and fan created material being just as valid as what TSR/WotC has published. The main difference between Greyhawk fandom and the Forgotten Realms fandom is size, FR dwarfs us by a long mile. * = Full disclosure, I am one of the panelists. The panel consisted of Bryan Blumklotz (me), Mike Bridges, Allan Grohe, Carlos Lising, Anna Meyer, and Kit Nolen. See the seminar below: [MEDIA=youtube]6nP079G1Ts8[/MEDIA] [/QUOTE]
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