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<blockquote data-quote="Happiest_Sadist" data-source="post: 1514361" data-attributes="member: 1743">The point is not that a 20th level fighter can hit the dragon, the point is that it seems that it should not be incredibly difficult with a flying beast the size of a house.Also, wizards must fight them too.&nbsp; A 20th level wizard with 20 dex has only a +19 to hit with any ray attacks.&nbsp; This means that even with true strike, any ray they shoot has a 30-some% chance of missing, and they cannot hit with ray attacks without that.&nbsp; How are these dragons dodging like that?Using base reflex save is a problem too.&nbsp; 2 great worm white dragons, A &amp; B are fighting.&nbsp; After some circling and testing of distance A charges B and bites him.&nbsp; A rolls a 10 + 36 (attack bonus) + 2 (charging) = 48B rolls a 10 + 20 (base save) -4 (size) = 26A rolls 1 above average damage 15 (4d6) + 12 (str) + 12 (size) + 22 (48-26)=61B's soak is 12(size) + 35 (natural) + 8 (con) = 45B takes 16 pips of damage and is disabled instantly by an average attack.&nbsp; If BAB had been used the same hit would have done 0 damage, not even wounding B.If reflex saves are used then large creatures often instantly kill other large creatures.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Happiest_Sadist, post: 1514361, member: 1743"] The point is not that a 20th level fighter can hit the dragon, the point is that it seems that it should not be incredibly difficult with a flying beast the size of a house. Also, wizards must fight them too. A 20th level wizard with 20 dex has only a +19 to hit with any ray attacks. This means that even with true strike, any ray they shoot has a 30-some% chance of missing, and they cannot hit with ray attacks without that. How are these dragons dodging like that? Using base reflex save is a problem too. 2 great worm white dragons, A & B are fighting. After some circling and testing of distance A charges B and bites him. A rolls a 10 + 36 (attack bonus) + 2 (charging) = 48 B rolls a 10 + 20 (base save) -4 (size) = 26 A rolls 1 above average damage 15 (4d6) + 12 (str) + 12 (size) + 22 (48-26)=61 B's soak is 12(size) + 35 (natural) + 8 (con) = 45 B takes 16 pips of damage and is disabled instantly by an average attack. If BAB had been used the same hit would have done 0 damage, not even wounding B. If reflex saves are used then large creatures often instantly kill other large creatures. [/QUOTE]

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