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Message: <blockquote data-quote="HeapThaumaturgist" data-source="post: 2029280" data-attributes="member: 12332">I use Fewer Dead Heroes and pretty much standard Grim Tales on the armor rules after that.If you look under the GT rules for Encumbrance, though, and I'm not sure if Wulf remembers this is in there, but your Load penalty applies not just to Skills with Armor Check Penalties ... but to ATTACK ROLLS as well.  Which is different from standard D&D.  (I just looked it up.)Now, what this means, is unless you're massively strong you're going to avoid heavy armors at all times because reaching Medium loadout is going to heavily nerf your combat abilities.That little gem kept all of my PCs away from heavy armors, even though I use FDH.   Most people will wear something light ... leather, studded, a chain shirt ... just for an AC bump and mostly for 2-4 points of Damage Conversion (because it keeps you alive!).My game is also an airship game and I pointed out that Armor Check penalties apply to skills like ... CLIMB ... and JUMP ... and when you're a handful of hundreds of feet in the air, that climb or jump check may be the only thing between them and SPLAT.  So that probably adds to it.I think if you just TELL them that Armor is going to be rare and that Encumbrance affects your BAB you'll find most people will go ahead and design their PCs away from heavy armor without having to impose artificial penalties to it.  And there's always Game World Issues.  I mean, if Full Plate isn't AVAILABLE then why even bother nerfing it ... it's already been nerfed by you ruling they're not going to find it hanging on the rack at the corner Ye Olde Armourer Shoppe.EDIT:  And I think it's "real world" issues like encumbrance that keep most people in the "Real World" from running around in full body-armor loadouts.  It's a balance between protection and staying mobile.  Let them know you're going to keep Encumbrance, that Encumbrance will penalize them on Attack Bonus, that Armor makes them slower and slow people don't get to Cover as quickly as others.  A few archers on high ground with cover and a climb-check to get to them will ruin people with Armor Check penalties who have to slog through the firestorm and try to make it up the hill before they can even engage the enemy ... who can run away faster than they can catch up!  I do stuff like running enemies to my D&D players all the time.  When everybody is in heavy armor and the foe keeps retreating into the (concealment granting) bush ... --fje</blockquote>

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