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<blockquote data-quote="Trodax" data-source="post: 2194964" data-attributes="member: 27556">Sure, I can agree with that. What I don't like is that this investment basically has to be done at first level (or you'll have to spend a feat each time you want to learn a new weapon). I just think it makes certain concepts harder to do.For example, the rugged barbarian (Tough Hero) who wanders out of his homeland and goes on to cut a bloody swath across the continent as a mercenary (*cough* Conan *cough*). Or the young reckless noble (Charismatic Hero) who gets his act together when his homeland is invaded and eventually becomes a great warrior and general. In both of these cases, it would probably have been more strategic to start out as Strong Hero, and then multiclass.I guess this boils down to one facet of d20 in general that I'm not that keen on; the need to be strategic when designing your character. With experienced players its not a problem, but when your players are new to the system I think its nice to be able to just let them pick a class that fits their concept, and not have to steer them so much with stuff like &quot;ahhh, you don't want to do that,´cause that'll come back and bite you in the ass in a couple of levels&quot;.Basically, what I'm saying is that I don't really like that there is such a big difference between a Strong lvl1/Tough lvl1 and a Tough lvl1/Strong lvl1 character.To avoid sounding like a whining b**ch, I'll add that, all in all, I think Grim Tales looks like a real sweet collection of rules.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Trodax, post: 2194964, member: 27556"] Sure, I can agree with that. What I don't like is that this investment basically has to be done at first level (or you'll have to spend a feat each time you want to learn a new weapon). I just think it makes certain concepts harder to do. For example, the rugged barbarian (Tough Hero) who wanders out of his homeland and goes on to cut a bloody swath across the continent as a mercenary (*cough* Conan *cough*). Or the young reckless noble (Charismatic Hero) who gets his act together when his homeland is invaded and eventually becomes a great warrior and general. In both of these cases, it would probably have been more strategic to start out as Strong Hero, and then multiclass. I guess this boils down to one facet of d20 in general that I'm not that keen on; the need to be strategic when designing your character. With experienced players its not a problem, but when your players are new to the system I think its nice to be able to just let them pick a class that fits their concept, and not have to steer them so much with stuff like "ahhh, you don't want to do that,´cause that'll come back and bite you in the ass in a couple of levels". Basically, what I'm saying is that I don't really like that there is such a big difference between a Strong lvl1/Tough lvl1 and a Tough lvl1/Strong lvl1 character. To avoid sounding like a whining b**ch, I'll add that, all in all, I think Grim Tales looks like a real sweet collection of rules. :) [/QUOTE]

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