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Message: <blockquote data-quote="takyris" data-source="post: 1585238" data-attributes="member: 5171">Let's see, in the current campaign, which I've modeled as "X-Files, but with magic instead of aliens" -- magic exists but is always unprovable -- I've had all kinds of saves.  I used Will saves for things that would have caused San loss in CoC: Party sees a grisly murder and everyone has to make Will saves or become shaken, with a save that fails by 5 or more indicating that the PC could not willingly approach the crime scene.  Also, because the town's water supply was contaminated by a psychotropic drug, the PCs kept having to make Will saves as they saw hallucinations.  The latter won't come up too often, but the former can be good even in non-FX situations.  If it's stressful and would require a cool head, make it a Will save.We've used Reflex saves against autofire, not grenades, but yeah, pretty much like you said.  I also tend to use Reflex saves as reactive action requirements out of initiative -- if somebody drops the precious Ming vase, it's a Reflex save to make a diving grab for it.Fort saves come up less often, true, but they're important enough to make up for it.  My recent game was nasty -- skeletal bikers, one of whom had an M-16, and another of whom had a semiautomatic shotgun and Double-Tap -- and the PCs were making Massive Damage checks all the time.  In the previous game, Fort saves came up when the party ran afoul of a barroom bruiser (first PC made his first two massive damage saves and failed the third, getting knocked out fro Brawl damage, and second PC went the distance with the bruiser and ended up earning his respect), and when two of the PCs were hit by a car.  Not pretty -- while falling damage is still pretty weak in d20, an Acura doing 50 mph is still pretty effective as a weapon.</blockquote>

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