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<blockquote data-quote="Nonlethal Force" data-source="post: 4892496" data-attributes="member: 35788">I feel just the opposite, actually.&nbsp; If you use 3d6 (or even worse 3d6+2) you really make the extreemes hard to hit.&nbsp; Essentially, in a d20 world you have a 1 in 20 (5%) chance to hit any number (thus a 5% chance to get a 20).&nbsp; In a 2d10 world you have a 1 in 100 (1%) chance of getting a 20 (or 2, actually).&nbsp; But in a 3d6 world you only have 1 in 216 chance (about .46%) to get a number on the extreme.In other words, in roleplaying a &quot;nice bell curve&quot; is not what you want because bell curves tend to normalize everything to the middles.&nbsp; If you use the 3d6 model you are going to experience a ton of rolls between 8 and 13.&nbsp; And I mean a ton of them.&nbsp; So I ask you - when playing a game do you really want to play a game where you can honestly expect a result of 8 to 13 68% of the time?&nbsp; Especially when you put it in terms of getting a 14 - 18 only happening 16% of the time.For me, that is far too much bell curve.&nbsp; I like the modified bel curve of the 2d10 better.&nbsp; The results will not be as standardized, and players will complain far less (and be bored far less, too!).&nbsp; But this is just my experience.The things is, 3d6 doesn't maximize anything.&nbsp; In fact, 3d6 minimizes everything based on chance by reducing the probable range to the average values the majority of the time.&nbsp; It does make the modifiers more important because you know you can only count on getting a value between 8 and 13.&nbsp; So yeah, I suppose in some way you can say it does make your training more important.&nbsp; But it also means that highly skilled people have little chance of blowing people out of the water, too.&nbsp; And this goes for everything like skills, attack, etc.EDIT: Oh, and I say worse to the 3d6+2 model because most people who use it don't also adjust everything else by anything.&nbsp; So, AC shouldn't be 10+modifiers it should be 12+modifiers.&nbsp; If you don't make that adjustment then you really aren't getting the bell curve that you want where the game expects it.&nbsp; Anyway, just my thoughts.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nonlethal Force, post: 4892496, member: 35788"] I feel just the opposite, actually. If you use 3d6 (or even worse 3d6+2) you really make the extreemes hard to hit. Essentially, in a d20 world you have a 1 in 20 (5%) chance to hit any number (thus a 5% chance to get a 20). In a 2d10 world you have a 1 in 100 (1%) chance of getting a 20 (or 2, actually). But in a 3d6 world you only have 1 in 216 chance (about .46%) to get a number on the extreme. In other words, in roleplaying a "nice bell curve" is not what you want because bell curves tend to normalize everything to the middles. If you use the 3d6 model you are going to experience a ton of rolls between 8 and 13. And I mean a ton of them. So I ask you - when playing a game do you really want to play a game where you can honestly expect a result of 8 to 13 68% of the time? Especially when you put it in terms of getting a 14 - 18 only happening 16% of the time. For me, that is far too much bell curve. I like the modified bel curve of the 2d10 better. The results will not be as standardized, and players will complain far less (and be bored far less, too!). But this is just my experience. The things is, 3d6 doesn't maximize anything. In fact, 3d6 minimizes everything based on chance by reducing the probable range to the average values the majority of the time. It does make the modifiers more important because you know you can only count on getting a value between 8 and 13. So yeah, I suppose in some way you can say it does make your training more important. But it also means that highly skilled people have little chance of blowing people out of the water, too. And this goes for everything like skills, attack, etc. EDIT: Oh, and I say worse to the 3d6+2 model because most people who use it don't also adjust everything else by anything. So, AC shouldn't be 10+modifiers it should be 12+modifiers. If you don't make that adjustment then you really aren't getting the bell curve that you want where the game expects it. Anyway, just my thoughts. [/QUOTE]

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