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<blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 5222719" data-attributes="member: 2205">Fair enough.&nbsp; I was never arguing that, and I agree that the Tyranny of Fun manifesto isn't an example of playing unfun games, despite the title.It is, rather ironically though, a strikingly potent example of badwrongfun argumentation.It's a bit disingenious to pretend that this thread is turning some word into an insult that never was one before.&nbsp; Talking about french soldiers during the Napoleonic war is all well and good, but in the context of the gaming community grognard has been around for a long time, and has had consistent negative undertones for well over 15-20 years at least; since the beginning of the internet.&nbsp; Again, at least.&nbsp; I'm being conservative to be cautious.It's also had plenty of folks turn around, wear the label like a badge of honor and &quot;reclaim&quot; the label, to a certain extent, but this thread isn't doing anything except retreading discussions on Usenet from 1993.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Desdichado, post: 5222719, member: 2205"] Fair enough. I was never arguing that, and I agree that the Tyranny of Fun manifesto isn't an example of playing unfun games, despite the title. It is, rather ironically though, a strikingly potent example of badwrongfun argumentation. It's a bit disingenious to pretend that this thread is turning some word into an insult that never was one before. Talking about french soldiers during the Napoleonic war is all well and good, but [I]in the context of the gaming community[/I] grognard has been around for a long time, and has had consistent negative undertones for well over 15-20 years at least; since the beginning of the internet. Again, at least. I'm being conservative to be cautious. It's also had plenty of folks turn around, wear the label like a badge of honor and "reclaim" the label, to a certain extent, but this thread isn't doing anything except retreading discussions on Usenet from 1993. [/QUOTE]

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