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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ourph" data-source="post: 5226600" data-attributes="member: 20239">No, but if, as an adult, he chose to refer to himself as "William the Swift", it wouldn't be unreasonable for people to assume he is locomotively gifted in some way.Likewise, if gamers who like older games adopt an appelation deriving from a specific historical group and with a previous meaning attached, it isn't unreasonable for people to assume those who choose that name recognize a certain level of similarity between the attitudes of that historical group (i.e. grumpiness and a propensity for complaining about the current state of affairs) and themselves. To insist that "grognard" in a gaming context means and ONLY means "likes older games" is silly. The original usage has nothing to do with liking older things, it's related to grumpiness and complaining. Excluding that part of the meaning when referring to gamers makes the term meaningless. You might as well call gamers who prefer older games "applewagons" or "odelisques". Those terms have as much to do with liking older games as the original usage of "grognard" does.I, personally, am happy to accept the label of grognard with all of it's attendant baggage. I can be grumpy about things in RPGs I don't like and I accept that I have a propensity to complain long and loud about those things if given half the chance. The only objection I have is the assertion in this thread that complaining automatically equates to putting down other gamers and assuming a position of superiority. That's not part of being a "grognard", it's just being a jerk. There are a lot of grognards who are also jerks. There are a lot of gamers in general who are also jerks. But being a jerk isn't any more inherent to being a grognard than it is to being a gamer in general. (IMHO, YMMV, etc.)</blockquote>

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