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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MyISPHatesENWorld" data-source="post: 4239177" data-attributes="member: 65684">I agree with your point in general, but a lot of cases are far less absolute. There are people who dislike 4e or are on the fence with some concerns (like me) that don't necessarily dislike everything they've seen so far. But I've seen enough of the system and enough of the design goals and process have been explained to allow me to see things that aren't going to work for me based upon the information released so far. Some or all of those things may wash out when all the rules are available in the PHB or DMG and some more may wash out with supplements. But it looks like some sacred cows of DND have been traded for sacred ponies of the 4e devs and other sacred cows have been resurrected and/or made more strict and limiting. In some cases it feels like 4e  created arbitrary limitations based upon designer pet peeves and/or complaints on message boards from people who like a game more for what it restricts others from doing than for what it allows them to do themselves. Which, if it turns out that way, would be a shame because there is a lot to the system that I like.</blockquote>