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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mhensley" data-source="post: 4239271" data-attributes="member: 1604">Sorry, I built up quite a load of snark while playing and needed a release.  aahhhh...Yes, that was my point exactly.  We were told that 4e would be more heroic and 1st level characters would be kicking butt right from the word go.  In 3rd edition, if I was playing a first level fighter built along the same lines as the one in the preview mod (16 str, two-handed wpn, cleave, power attack) and was in a fight with a group of weak monsters (kobolds, goblins, etc.) and it lasted 5 rounds, I could reasonably expect to kill around 2-3 monsters - given average rolls.  In a 4e fight I would probably only kill 1 in the same time frame. Cleave was a lot more fun when there was a significant chance to actually kill something with it.  The same with tripping.  In 3e, getting knocked prone was really dangerous.  In 4e, it's a minor inconvenience.  And we noticed real quick, that the sleep spell is so nerfed now that we'll probably never use it again.At low levels, combat was not faster.  I'm sure it probably is faster at high levels, but you probably won't see any difference in round speed compared to 3e until you're up around 7th level.  Combat at 1st level seemed slow, slow, slow compared to 3e mainly because it took so much longer to kill our opponents than it would have in 3e.  Is 3e combat riskier? Sure it is, but it also seemed a lot more interesting to me.  YMMV and all that.</blockquote>

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