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Message: <blockquote data-quote="elijah snow" data-source="post: 4239289" data-attributes="member: 18291">I really appreciate the responses to my initial post. I feel like there needs to a grognard's 4E board so I don't raise the ire of too many 4E fans, as the primary audience for my thread was my fellow grognards.I'd like to point out that being a devoted 3.5E grognard does not mean pretending that 4E isn't here, that it isn't a legitimate game system, or that I may not find myself playing (not running) a game in it someday. I just wanted to reality check the amazing, glowing reviews that Shadowfell & 4E previews are getting from the grognard's perspective.After a bit more reflection, it may be more fair to say that 4E looks like a variant D&D - like d20 Modern, Star Wars Saga Edition, True20, etc. - rather than something as foreign as Savage Worlds - but it's not a natural progression/improvement on 3.5E, which is the implication from the marketing department - that it's faster, more intuitive, and just plain better.Also, let me give three examples of what is terrifying in third edition - the Blood War, the fact that your wizard may run of kewl spells before the end of the day (at least he doesn't have to hit with a ranged attack to fire a magic missle), and fighting a tiefling warlock/chainfighter that comes from a rift in the planar fabric of reality, not the tiefling city a half day's ride from this point of light.</blockquote>