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<blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 9514403" data-attributes="member: 6750235">How does it go downhill from there when your scenario of -1 to the check and starting in heavy armor was the bottom of the hill to start?I pointed out that removing the armor increased the chance of success for that character.&nbsp; 75% chance to fail a DC 15 check becomes 94% chance to fail with disadvantage.&nbsp; Taking off the armor might still have a solid chance to fail but it's still considerably better and more likely to succeed.More than half the classes have access to Enhance Ability and there are other sources of advantage.&nbsp; Advantage changes that 75% chance to fail down to 56% chance to fail.&nbsp; That's much better than 94% chance to fail the check.They can obviously still fail the check but this is true for other characters too.&nbsp; The only difference is the likelihood of that failure.A character with a +3 bonus from either proficiency or DEX still fails DC 15 55% of the time.&nbsp; A character with +6 bonus fails DC 15 40% of the time.By taking off the armor and giving the weaker link regarding advantage that weaker link has a similar chance to many characters, and a better chance than most who don't take stealth proficiency.If the character or party wants to be better at stealth that requires more focus, but it's not hard to bring that -1 character in heavy armor up to the rest of the typical party.&nbsp; It only take changing armor and an easily available buff.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ashrym, post: 9514403, member: 6750235"] How does it go downhill from there when your scenario of -1 to the check and starting in heavy armor was the bottom of the hill to start? I pointed out that removing the armor increased the chance of success for that character. 75% chance to fail a DC 15 check becomes 94% chance to fail with disadvantage. Taking off the armor might still have a solid chance to fail but it's still considerably better and more likely to succeed. More than half the classes have access to Enhance Ability and there are other sources of advantage. Advantage changes that 75% chance to fail down to 56% chance to fail. That's much better than 94% chance to fail the check. They can obviously still fail the check but this is true for other characters too. The only difference is the likelihood of that failure. A character with a +3 bonus from either proficiency or DEX still fails DC 15 55% of the time. A character with +6 bonus fails DC 15 40% of the time. By taking off the armor and giving the weaker link regarding advantage that weaker link has a similar chance to many characters, and a better chance than most who don't take stealth proficiency. If the character or party wants to be better at stealth that requires more focus, but it's not hard to bring that -1 character in heavy armor up to the rest of the typical party. It only take changing armor and an easily available buff. [/QUOTE]

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