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<blockquote data-quote="Retros_x" data-source="post: 9515105" data-attributes="member: 7033171">If you see someone hidden they are not hidden anymore anyway.The rules say the condition ends when an enemy spots you. To get spotted an enemy needs to perceive you. If you are obscured, they need to roll on perception to see if the can hear you or maybe see some movement in the shadows. If they just run into you or you just dropped from the ceiling there is no chance of failure, they perceive you automatically and you are not hidden anymore. No DM I know would roll a perception check to spot an enemy that stands in front of you. So getting out of cover, getting out of darkness, dropping from the celing, whatever, definitely lets an enemy spot you, which meets the condition that is specified in hiding action that you are not hidden and thus cannot reap the benefits of the invisibility condition anymore.But the condition &quot;Invisible&quot; says it.Again, they naughty word up the phrasings completely. But if you take your time to read all the texts and associated rules spread over different pages RAW becomes clear for me at last. But in this department its a big failure in their attempt to make the rules better understandable, they managed to make it even worse.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Retros_x, post: 9515105, member: 7033171"] If you see someone hidden they are not hidden anymore anyway. The rules say the condition ends when an enemy spots you. To get spotted an enemy needs to perceive you. If you are obscured, they need to roll on perception to see if the can hear you or maybe see some movement in the shadows. If they just run into you or you just dropped from the ceiling there is no chance of failure, they perceive you automatically and you are not hidden anymore. No DM I know would roll a perception check to spot an enemy that stands in front of you. So getting out of cover, getting out of darkness, dropping from the celing, whatever, definitely lets an enemy spot you, which meets the condition that is specified in hiding action that you are not hidden and thus cannot reap the benefits of the invisibility condition anymore. But the condition "Invisible" says it. Again, they naughty word up the phrasings completely. But if you take your time to read all the texts and associated rules spread over different pages RAW becomes clear for me at last. But in this department its a big failure in their attempt to make the rules better understandable, they managed to make it even worse. [/QUOTE]

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