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<blockquote data-quote="barsoomcore" data-source="post: 1880830" data-attributes="member: 812"><p>Yeah, well, what we're debating is whether or not his choice was the best possible. I think it was not, and others think it was. Fair enough. Nobody's right or wrong in these kinds of discussions, but it's fun to entertain possibilities.</p><p></p><p>Wiz: Frodo and Sam escape from Cirith Ungol, disguise themselves as orcs, cross the plains of Mordor and climb up the side of Mt. Doom. And keep in mind that my model has the Ring being destroyed halfway through the film, so to protest that they "do virtually NOTHING during the third movie, until they get to Mt. Doom" is to pretty much miss the whole point of what I'm saying. Until they get to Mt. Doom is only halfway through the movie, so to have them "only" surviving a desperate battle of orc vs orc, trying to keep from being noticed in the midst of a huge army, crossing a desolate landscape, fighting off Gollum on the side of Mt. Doom and climbing up to the fire is quite enough for them to be doing in an hour and a bit, I think. You'd probably be able to cut the whole bit with the army, and still have lots of material.</p><p></p><p>Insufficient material is almost never going to be the film-maker's problem in adapting these works. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>I agree that it would be a challenge. I think it would be worth it, but then to me, the Scouring IS the climax of the story. If a film-maker could communicate that to an audience it would work. Obviously if they couldn't, it wouldn't.</p><p></p><p>That said, I don't think dropping the Scouring was that big a deal, myself. I think that aspect of the story was actually handled reasonably well in the films. My objections to the way the second and third films were put together I've already detailed. The second is plain BAD, and I THINK the third one is, too, though I'm withholding judgement till I see it again.</p><p></p><p>And NOT because the Scouring isn't in it, and NOT because they don't faithfully follow the books. Though I do note that pretty much every clumsy bit of dialogue and heavy-handed narratorial oom-pa-pa is new material. The stuff that IS faithful to the books is pretty consistently the best stuff throughout the movies.</p><p></p><p>I don't think that's a coincidence.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="barsoomcore, post: 1880830, member: 812"] Yeah, well, what we're debating is whether or not his choice was the best possible. I think it was not, and others think it was. Fair enough. Nobody's right or wrong in these kinds of discussions, but it's fun to entertain possibilities. Wiz: Frodo and Sam escape from Cirith Ungol, disguise themselves as orcs, cross the plains of Mordor and climb up the side of Mt. Doom. And keep in mind that my model has the Ring being destroyed halfway through the film, so to protest that they "do virtually NOTHING during the third movie, until they get to Mt. Doom" is to pretty much miss the whole point of what I'm saying. Until they get to Mt. Doom is only halfway through the movie, so to have them "only" surviving a desperate battle of orc vs orc, trying to keep from being noticed in the midst of a huge army, crossing a desolate landscape, fighting off Gollum on the side of Mt. Doom and climbing up to the fire is quite enough for them to be doing in an hour and a bit, I think. You'd probably be able to cut the whole bit with the army, and still have lots of material. Insufficient material is almost never going to be the film-maker's problem in adapting these works. :D I agree that it would be a challenge. I think it would be worth it, but then to me, the Scouring IS the climax of the story. If a film-maker could communicate that to an audience it would work. Obviously if they couldn't, it wouldn't. That said, I don't think dropping the Scouring was that big a deal, myself. I think that aspect of the story was actually handled reasonably well in the films. My objections to the way the second and third films were put together I've already detailed. The second is plain BAD, and I THINK the third one is, too, though I'm withholding judgement till I see it again. And NOT because the Scouring isn't in it, and NOT because they don't faithfully follow the books. Though I do note that pretty much every clumsy bit of dialogue and heavy-handed narratorial oom-pa-pa is new material. The stuff that IS faithful to the books is pretty consistently the best stuff throughout the movies. I don't think that's a coincidence. [/QUOTE]
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