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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Orius" data-source="post: 1896067" data-attributes="member: 8863">Denethor portayed as some mad decadent Roman emperor through the whole film bugged me actually.  In the book, he didn't lose it until the end, when he though Faramir was dead.  Up to then, he resists Gandalf, not because he's mad with the lust for power, but becaus he doesn't trust Gandalf, who is after all, a free agent.  The problem there is Denethor is so focused on the defense of Minas Tirith that he doesn't really consider the rest of Middle-Earth except for Rohan.The orcs did kill themselves off in the tower in the book when they fought over Frodo's posessions.  Sam simply snuck through the tower with the Ring.  Likely they didn't have him use the Ring because it would undercut the dangers of using the ring especially while in Mordor.I chalk that up to more Hollywood sensibilities rearing their ugly heads again.This scene in the book is shown from Sam's POV, not Frodo's so we're given a description of Gollum wrestling with an invisible Frodo, instead of what Frodo sees.  This scene is fairly faithful to the book.  WHAT I thought was bad was Frodo pushing Gollum in, going over with Gollum, and Sam catching him.  As bad as the stupid TTT scene with Aragorn going over the cliff.</blockquote>