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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kenmarable" data-source="post: 4186230" data-attributes="member: 40359">Actually that's conflating two separate issues.#1: End of the d20 STLThis has been officially mentioned by WotC and deals with the fact that they are retiring the d20 logo this year. So all products must be updated to remove the logo if they want to sell them regardless of any future publishing plans. So after Jan 1, no PDF can have the d20 logo, and only printed products that are out in the distribution chain can have them. That is a separate issue from the OP, which is:#2: 4e GSL "poison pill"This was brought up by Clark to clarify some confusing comments, and has not been denied (and some of The Rouse's comments aren't "yes, that is the case" clear, but they are pretty darn close). This issue is that the 4e GSL will (allegedly) contain a clause if want to publish 4e products under the GSL, your company can never use the OGL again. Either you still publish OGL products OR you publish 4e GSL products.The question the original poster was asking was - so what about companies that want to go 4e, but have a very large PDF back catalog? And the answer is, "We don't know." *shrug* They have said that you can update your product and re-release it for 4e, but that might be impossible for any products that contain OGC from a different company. *shrug* We don't know yet.Those restrictions are in place for the 4e GSL and fantasy RPG products (technically I think it's the "D&D GSL"), but there will be another license down the road for non-fantasy products, and we have no idea what the terms of those will be.Of course, on the one hand, we already have M&M, True20, etc., so why do we need more? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> But if you want 4e inspired ones, then, yes, you will have to be very careful. M&M is up in the air and depends on the future license. True20 type of game would have a very difficult time, but if you did it while avoiding character creation rules, or released it under the future license to be determined, it could still work. I'm not familiar enough with C&C to know for sure, but I do know that with Arcana Evolved, you could rip out the character creation rules, and still have a product that looks 99% the same. It's not stand alone, but the real value in that book isn't the XP charts and how to roll stats by any means. So Arcana Evolved and possibly even Iron Heroes (though I'm less familiar with it) could live just as happily under the 4e GSL as they could with the OGL with only some minor changes.</blockquote>

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