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<blockquote data-quote="Gadget" data-source="post: 6994615" data-attributes="member: 23716"><p>I see what what some are saying with regard to attacks against <em>Silent Image</em>, I would be more sympathetic if this was only application of the spell, but creating a threatening decoy image in combat is certainly not the only way to apply the spell. Just the most straightforward and direct approach. I would argue that, depending on the image and the circumstances, having only one opponent waste an attack on the image might be a little meta-gamey on the part of the DM.</p><p></p><p> @<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6801878" target="_blank">Dorian_Grey</a></u></strong></em>, There is no need for all these arcana and deception checks, that's a very 3e way of doing things. It says right there in the spell that the opponents can <em>take an action</em> to make an Int investigation check to determine the image is an illusion. The key here is taking an action. This is all about action economy; you are forcing a monster to waste an action to determine it is an illusion by either making an investigation check or attacking the image. The spell also says that the caster can spend an action to make the image move (appearing to be walking, running etc.). This is also about action economy: if I want my image to appear to dodge the attack, and thus potentially have the monster waste another round's action on the image, I have to spend my action to accomplish this feat. It is still not clear to me that this is intended, what with 5e's cyclic initiative and actions, bonus actions, reactions and such. It would be a reasonable interpretation to rule that the image is completely stationary until my turn the next round and I spend an action to cause it to appear to move.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gadget, post: 6994615, member: 23716"] I see what what some are saying with regard to attacks against [I]Silent Image[/I], I would be more sympathetic if this was only application of the spell, but creating a threatening decoy image in combat is certainly not the only way to apply the spell. Just the most straightforward and direct approach. I would argue that, depending on the image and the circumstances, having only one opponent waste an attack on the image might be a little meta-gamey on the part of the DM. @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6801878"]Dorian_Grey[/URL][/U][/B][/I], There is no need for all these arcana and deception checks, that's a very 3e way of doing things. It says right there in the spell that the opponents can [I]take an action[/I] to make an Int investigation check to determine the image is an illusion. The key here is taking an action. This is all about action economy; you are forcing a monster to waste an action to determine it is an illusion by either making an investigation check or attacking the image. The spell also says that the caster can spend an action to make the image move (appearing to be walking, running etc.). This is also about action economy: if I want my image to appear to dodge the attack, and thus potentially have the monster waste another round's action on the image, I have to spend my action to accomplish this feat. It is still not clear to me that this is intended, what with 5e's cyclic initiative and actions, bonus actions, reactions and such. It would be a reasonable interpretation to rule that the image is completely stationary until my turn the next round and I spend an action to cause it to appear to move. [/QUOTE]
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