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<blockquote data-quote="Noctem" data-source="post: 6780853" data-attributes="member: 6801315"><p>Hiding in the sentence is being used as both the act of hiding and being hidden.&nbsp; That's how the rules describe rolling stealth to hide and being hidden, hiding.&nbsp; What you're attempting to do is differentiate between the act and the state.&nbsp; The errata and the rules themselves make no such distinction.&nbsp; You can thank the purposeful ambiguity of the rules for that one.&nbsp; The fact that they didn't specifically say something like &quot;when you are hidden&quot;.&nbsp; Using the general term &quot;hiding&quot; instead makes the distinction you're attempting to make nonsensical.&nbsp; The rules also don't make a difference between requirements to become and later lose hidden.&nbsp; Pre errata, if you were seen you couldn't hide and if you were hidden you would lose hidden.&nbsp; The only way around that were the skulker feat, halfling racial ability and elven ability.&nbsp; Post errata, anytime you are deemed unclearly seen by the DM, since the DM decides when you can hide or not, you can hide and remaining hidden also only requires to be unclearly seen.&nbsp; Skulker's main benefit is now useless.&nbsp; The only way it's not useless is if they specifically state that half cover and light obscurement don't make you unclearly seen.&nbsp; In which case they would then need to explain what being unclearly seen means in 5e.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Noctem, post: 6780853, member: 6801315"] Hiding in the sentence is being used as both the act of hiding and being hidden. That's how the rules describe rolling stealth to hide and being hidden, hiding. What you're attempting to do is differentiate between the act and the state. The errata and the rules themselves make no such distinction. You can thank the purposeful ambiguity of the rules for that one. The fact that they didn't specifically say something like "when you are hidden". Using the general term "hiding" instead makes the distinction you're attempting to make nonsensical. The rules also don't make a difference between requirements to become and later lose hidden. Pre errata, if you were seen you couldn't hide and if you were hidden you would lose hidden. The only way around that were the skulker feat, halfling racial ability and elven ability. Post errata, anytime you are deemed unclearly seen by the DM, since the DM decides when you can hide or not, you can hide and remaining hidden also only requires to be unclearly seen. Skulker's main benefit is now useless. The only way it's not useless is if they specifically state that half cover and light obscurement don't make you unclearly seen. In which case they would then need to explain what being unclearly seen means in 5e. [/QUOTE]

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