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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7551879" data-attributes="member: 6795602">That link is broken.&nbsp; Regardless though, have you actually compared a level 11 paladin with polearm master and great weapon master to a level 11 paladin with just Polearm Master.&nbsp; Ignoring all buffs for a moment...&nbsp; Did you know the Polearm master only paladin actually does better damage across most AC's at that level?Have you ever actually looked at a Polearm Master Paladin vs a GWM paladin at levels 1-4?&nbsp; What about at level 5?&nbsp; I have.&nbsp; Generally the Polearm master paladin is either doing outright better damage or damage that is nearly equivalent (arguably slightly better) than the GWM paladin.&nbsp; At virtually no level is he doing less.Now buffs change the dynamics but they do so in more ways than just flatly increasing damage.&nbsp; Usually you perform some kind of trade to obtain a buff.&nbsp; That may involve not attack or not bonus action attacking or not having the cleric attack etc. Then it depends on what buff we are looking at.&nbsp; Also, sometimes you can buff without losing any meaningful actions or bonus actions.&nbsp; That can come from prebuffing or not being in a postion to attack on the first turn of combat.I've said all that about buffs to say this.&nbsp; Let's start at the basics.&nbsp; Let's not look at buffs till we establish what's happening without them.&nbsp; After we have done that then we can see if you still think buffs are going to be enough to turn it around for your recommendations.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7551879, member: 6795602"] That link is broken. Regardless though, have you actually compared a level 11 paladin with polearm master and great weapon master to a level 11 paladin with just Polearm Master. Ignoring all buffs for a moment... Did you know the Polearm master only paladin actually does better damage across most AC's at that level? Have you ever actually looked at a Polearm Master Paladin vs a GWM paladin at levels 1-4? What about at level 5? I have. Generally the Polearm master paladin is either doing outright better damage or damage that is nearly equivalent (arguably slightly better) than the GWM paladin. At virtually no level is he doing less. Now buffs change the dynamics but they do so in more ways than just flatly increasing damage. Usually you perform some kind of trade to obtain a buff. That may involve not attack or not bonus action attacking or not having the cleric attack etc. Then it depends on what buff we are looking at. Also, sometimes you can buff without losing any meaningful actions or bonus actions. That can come from prebuffing or not being in a postion to attack on the first turn of combat. I've said all that about buffs to say this. Let's start at the basics. Let's not look at buffs till we establish what's happening without them. After we have done that then we can see if you still think buffs are going to be enough to turn it around for your recommendations. [/QUOTE]

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