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<blockquote data-quote="Rofel Wodring" data-source="post: 7457005" data-attributes="member: 6873189"><p>Really? It depends on whether or not you have access to magical items. If you have magical items, Haste can pull slightly ahead at endgame. If you don't, Shadow Blade is better for raw DPR. That said, Haste has a couple of benefits that Shadow Blade doesn't (most notably the speed increase) so it's worthwhile to use both even if your workday is short.</p><p></p><p><strong>No Magic Items, level 14, INT and DEX 18</strong>:</p><p>Haste + TWF + Extra Attack, Shortsword: 4d6 + 28 = 42</p><p>Haste + Scag Cantrip + TWF, Shortsword: 3d6 + 2d8 + 20 = 39.5</p><p>5th-level Shadow Blade + TWF: 8d8 + 1d6 + 20 = 59.5</p><p></p><p><strong>Level 18, Access to Flametongue Shortswords and one each of Tome of Clear Thought/Manual of Dexterity, so DEX and INT are 22:</strong></p><p>Haste + TWF, Flametongue: 10d6 + 42 = 77</p><p>Haste + Scag Cantrip + TWF, Flametongue: 7d6 + 2d8 + 30 = 63.5</p><p>5th-level Shadow Blade + TWFing: 8d8 + 1d6 + 30 = 69.5</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rofel Wodring, post: 7457005, member: 6873189"] Really? It depends on whether or not you have access to magical items. If you have magical items, Haste can pull slightly ahead at endgame. If you don't, Shadow Blade is better for raw DPR. That said, Haste has a couple of benefits that Shadow Blade doesn't (most notably the speed increase) so it's worthwhile to use both even if your workday is short. [B]No Magic Items, level 14, INT and DEX 18[/B]: Haste + TWF + Extra Attack, Shortsword: 4d6 + 28 = 42 Haste + Scag Cantrip + TWF, Shortsword: 3d6 + 2d8 + 20 = 39.5 5th-level Shadow Blade + TWF: 8d8 + 1d6 + 20 = 59.5 [B]Level 18, Access to Flametongue Shortswords and one each of Tome of Clear Thought/Manual of Dexterity, so DEX and INT are 22:[/B] Haste + TWF, Flametongue: 10d6 + 42 = 77 Haste + Scag Cantrip + TWF, Flametongue: 7d6 + 2d8 + 30 = 63.5 5th-level Shadow Blade + TWFing: 8d8 + 1d6 + 30 = 69.5 [/QUOTE]
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