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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 6706326" data-attributes="member: 12731">Perhaps, but...This. Spell Bombardment should not influence your choice of class, just like any other end-game ability.Effectively getting a d8 instead of a d6 is huge. It must be, even a fighter doesn't get more than a d10.&quot;Welfare armor&quot; Tell that to the AC 10 Wild Mage... Every point of AC is a big deal in this edition and you know it.Flight is HUGE. Sorry, but you are in denial if you can't see this.Wild magic is simply too situational to get those fantastic ratings. Most things you rate highly would deserve their ratings if you got to choose them when you need them. But you don't. Let's say Fireball is the best attack spell in the game. But a random Fireball is not golden, barely even black. What use is a Fireball when you can't use it? Surges are, from the charop perspective, simply something you endure to get real power. Its usefulness is probably not more than purple, to be honest. But since we like playing Wild Mages (or we wouldn't be having this conversation) let's rate it black, plain and simple.The only WMS class feature I see that I can understand and use consistently is Tides of Chaos. I would love to see a discussion on whether it can justify not going draconic that is cold and clinic and isn't enamored with Wild Surges.Because I suspect the Wild Mage can't support a minmaxed build. Not at this time; more support to leverage its few true advantages is needed. What I don't want is for this discussion to devolve into you defending the class. I just want more from a class guide than you selling the class.But I think I'm done crashing your party. Best of luck!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 6706326, member: 12731"] Perhaps, but... This. Spell Bombardment should not influence your choice of class, just like any other end-game ability. Effectively getting a d8 instead of a d6 is huge. It must be, even a fighter doesn't get more than a d10. "Welfare armor" Tell that to the AC 10 Wild Mage... Every point of AC is a big deal in this edition and you know it. Flight is HUGE. Sorry, but you are in denial if you can't see this. Wild magic is simply too situational to get those fantastic ratings. Most things you rate highly would deserve their ratings [B]if you got to choose them when you need them[/B]. But you don't. Let's say Fireball is the best attack spell in the game. But a random Fireball is not golden, barely even black. What use is a Fireball when you can't use it? Surges are, from the charop perspective, simply something you endure to get real power. Its usefulness is probably not more than purple, to be honest. But since we like playing Wild Mages (or we wouldn't be having this conversation) let's rate it black, plain and simple. The only WMS class feature I see that I can understand and use consistently is Tides of Chaos. I would love to see a discussion on whether it can justify not going draconic that is cold and clinic and isn't enamored with Wild Surges. Because I suspect the Wild Mage can't support a minmaxed build. Not at this time; more support to leverage its few true advantages is needed. What I don't want is for this discussion to devolve into you defending the class. I just want more from a class guide than you [I]selling[/I] the class. But I think I'm done crashing your party. Best of luck! [/QUOTE]

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