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[GUIDE] Stealth, Hiding and You!
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<blockquote data-quote="Noctem" data-source="post: 6702291" data-attributes="member: 6801315"><p>Part 6 Example Scenarios related to this guide:</p><p></p><p>The double blind: In this scenario you have two warriors attacking each other while being effectively blinded. This could be because they are both affected by the blinded condition via spell effect, being in complete darkness without a special sense, etc.. I'm placing this example here because of the conundrum this scenario creates when it comes to attacking. Fighter 1 has advantage against Fighter 2 because Fighter cannot see Fighter 1. Fighter 1 however has disadvantage as well because HE cannot see Fighter 2. And vice versa. So the bottom line from a mechanical sense is that both fighters aren't affected at all by advantage/disadvantage since they cancel each other. This is important to note because many people find it completely illogical. The point is that because the fighters effectively have the same penalties and avantages, they are fighting on the same level.</p><p></p><p>As example cases of the double blind, here are two situations posted on the forum by turri:</p><p></p><p>Case 1:</p><p>Creature A is in a heavily obscured area, Creature B is in a heavily obscured area.</p><p></p><p>A is "blinded" if he targets B, and so is B.</p><p></p><p>If A attacks B, he rolls 1 dice(Both of them are "blinded", so advantage and disadvantage ends in a normal roll)</p><p></p><p>A can roll stealth and become "hidden" from B, as long as A stay's in the area, and B has no darkvision</p><p></p><p></p><p>Case 2:</p><p>Creature A is in a heavily obscured area, Creature B is in non obscured Area.</p><p></p><p>IF A attacks B, he has advantage, because B is "blinded" when defending from A</p><p></p><p>IF B attacks A, he has disadvantage, because B is "blinded" when attacking A</p><p></p><p>A can roll stealth and become "hidden" from B, as long as A stay's in the area, and B has no darkvision</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Halfling Hiding: Because of the racial ability of the Halfling race, it is possible for them to hide behind allies so long as the ally is between them and another creature. Because of this, it is completely legal and in fact intended for them to be able to hide behind an ally, attack which causes them to lose the hidden condition and then simply hide once again behind the same ally. As long as the requirement, that the ally be between the halfling and other creatures, is true they can always re-hide should they lose hidden. The recent errata to hiding has further clarified that halfling's can hide behind an ally without any problem but at the same time has made this racial trait potentially obsolete since you might be able to hide behind an ally by default. It all depends on what the DM considers being "unclearly seen". Ask your DM!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Wood Elf Hiding: Just like the halfling, a Wood Elf is capable of attacking from hiding and then hide once again without having to move so long as the Wood Elf is within the required environment as detailed in the feature itself. The recent errata to hiding and vision has made the wood elf trait possibly obsolete depending on what you consider being "unclearly seen". Ask your DM!</p><p>Work in progress.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Noctem, post: 6702291, member: 6801315"] Part 6 Example Scenarios related to this guide: The double blind: In this scenario you have two warriors attacking each other while being effectively blinded. This could be because they are both affected by the blinded condition via spell effect, being in complete darkness without a special sense, etc.. I'm placing this example here because of the conundrum this scenario creates when it comes to attacking. Fighter 1 has advantage against Fighter 2 because Fighter cannot see Fighter 1. Fighter 1 however has disadvantage as well because HE cannot see Fighter 2. And vice versa. So the bottom line from a mechanical sense is that both fighters aren't affected at all by advantage/disadvantage since they cancel each other. This is important to note because many people find it completely illogical. The point is that because the fighters effectively have the same penalties and avantages, they are fighting on the same level. As example cases of the double blind, here are two situations posted on the forum by turri: Case 1: Creature A is in a heavily obscured area, Creature B is in a heavily obscured area. A is "blinded" if he targets B, and so is B. If A attacks B, he rolls 1 dice(Both of them are "blinded", so advantage and disadvantage ends in a normal roll) A can roll stealth and become "hidden" from B, as long as A stay's in the area, and B has no darkvision Case 2: Creature A is in a heavily obscured area, Creature B is in non obscured Area. IF A attacks B, he has advantage, because B is "blinded" when defending from A IF B attacks A, he has disadvantage, because B is "blinded" when attacking A A can roll stealth and become "hidden" from B, as long as A stay's in the area, and B has no darkvision Halfling Hiding: Because of the racial ability of the Halfling race, it is possible for them to hide behind allies so long as the ally is between them and another creature. Because of this, it is completely legal and in fact intended for them to be able to hide behind an ally, attack which causes them to lose the hidden condition and then simply hide once again behind the same ally. As long as the requirement, that the ally be between the halfling and other creatures, is true they can always re-hide should they lose hidden. The recent errata to hiding has further clarified that halfling's can hide behind an ally without any problem but at the same time has made this racial trait potentially obsolete since you might be able to hide behind an ally by default. It all depends on what the DM considers being "unclearly seen". Ask your DM! Wood Elf Hiding: Just like the halfling, a Wood Elf is capable of attacking from hiding and then hide once again without having to move so long as the Wood Elf is within the required environment as detailed in the feature itself. The recent errata to hiding and vision has made the wood elf trait possibly obsolete depending on what you consider being "unclearly seen". Ask your DM! Work in progress. [/QUOTE]
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