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<blockquote data-quote="bmfrosty" data-source="post: 9399850" data-attributes="member: 6788547">Right.&nbsp; I think the most interesting thing about the math in AD&amp;D is that they didn't change it, but appeared to have changed it.&nbsp; In OD&amp;D and Basic, a level 1 fighter had effectively no bonus to hit, but in AD&amp;D, the fighter had an effective +1 bonus to hit, but at the same time, armor class was 1 different so that the same roll was a hit at level 1 either edition.&nbsp; The differences coming in were that the scaling was improved for fighters in AD&amp;D along with damage bonuses in various forms - like the 1 + 1/2 attacks and such.What gets me the most about these is that the matrix/thac0/to-hit system that's become the standard was the alternative system, and the books really relied on chainmail's man/hero/superhero system for things.&nbsp; I can't make heads or tails of it, but I lack the patience to really carefully read chainmail to just get that.&nbsp; I'm certain that that reliance on chainmail had a lot to do with the popularity of the alternative system, and I wonder what could have been if the fighting capability column on page 17 and 18 of Men &amp; Magic had used the alternative system instead.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bmfrosty, post: 9399850, member: 6788547"] Right. I think the most interesting thing about the math in AD&D is that they didn't change it, but appeared to have changed it. In OD&D and Basic, a level 1 fighter had effectively no bonus to hit, but in AD&D, the fighter had an effective +1 bonus to hit, but at the same time, armor class was 1 different so that the same roll was a hit at level 1 either edition. The differences coming in were that the scaling was improved for fighters in AD&D along with damage bonuses in various forms - like the 1 + 1/2 attacks and such. What gets me the most about these is that the matrix/thac0/to-hit system that's become the standard was the alternative system, and the books really relied on chainmail's man/hero/superhero system for things. I can't make heads or tails of it, but I lack the patience to really carefully read chainmail to just get that. I'm certain that that reliance on chainmail had a lot to do with the popularity of the alternative system, and I wonder what could have been if the fighting capability column on page 17 and 18 of Men & Magic had used the alternative system instead. [/QUOTE]

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