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<blockquote data-quote="Iron_Chef" data-source="post: 750337" data-attributes="member: 4530"><p>Hi Jim,</p><p></p><p>I suppose I should make my comparison gripe clear: I'm not comparing your stuff to WoTC; nobody can be expected to compete there. I'm comparing them to FFG, AEG, Mongoose, Green Ronin, SSS, Atlas and the others. Their products are generally much thicker and hardcover for the same price or an extra $5.</p><p></p><p>Compare Minions to other creature books like Creature Collection 2, Tome of Horrors, Monsternomicon... They give you around 200 pages, hardcover with vastly superior art and content, all for between $25-$30.</p><p></p><p>Compare Villains with SSS's Secrets & Societies which is softcover and the same page count but has superior artwork and content and retails for a very reasonable $13.95.</p><p></p><p>Compare Spells & Magic with FFG's School of Illusion: softcover with superior art and content (if more narrowly focused), retailing for $14.95. Or a better comparison might be FFG's Spells & Spellcraft or Path of Magic, which are hardcover with superior art and all around more useful content for the same price and around 80 extra pages. If it's alt.magic a person is after, Atlas has their HC Occult Lore book, or there's Natural 20's Elements of Magic on the pdf front.</p><p></p><p>Another product to take note of is Green Ronin's Plot & Poison (drow book), which is around 200 pages, softcover (B&W/non-glossy), with nice art and phenomenal rules content for $24.95. The book is amazingly good and an excellent value that blows away Ed Greenwood's Drow of the Underdark and Goodman's Complete Book of the Drow, which were both excellent resources but nothing by comparison.</p><p></p><p>I appreciate the desire to make Bastion's books all full color and glossy beautiful, but the content in most cases (IMO) just hasn't measured up to this deluxe treatment when other publishers are selling meatier, crunchier and/or cheaper books. You're not competing with WoTC really; you're competing with these other third party publishers. (Most) everybody is gonna buy the latest WoTC release regardless, and then they go spend their remaining dollars on other companies products. So you'll never outsell WoTC, which I know you don't expect to do. You need to outsell or at least successfully compete against the FFG's, the Green Ronins, the AEGs, the Atlas, etc. These are the real competition, I think. Of course, you're in the biz so you might know many things I don't, but the fact is I tend to ignore Bastion releases because I anticipate they are going to be expensive and slim in page count with bad art and dubious utility. On the other hand, I eagerly await anything from FFG because I feel they give the best value for my dollar (I buy most everything they put out). Other companies I study more closely before purchasing, and Bastion products I read even more closely before buying because they cost so much I can't afford to take a chance on them or buy them for just a few useful bits like I can with other companies. $24.95 for 96 pages is a LOT of money.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Iron_Chef, post: 750337, member: 4530"] Hi Jim, I suppose I should make my comparison gripe clear: I'm not comparing your stuff to WoTC; nobody can be expected to compete there. I'm comparing them to FFG, AEG, Mongoose, Green Ronin, SSS, Atlas and the others. Their products are generally much thicker and hardcover for the same price or an extra $5. Compare Minions to other creature books like Creature Collection 2, Tome of Horrors, Monsternomicon... They give you around 200 pages, hardcover with vastly superior art and content, all for between $25-$30. Compare Villains with SSS's Secrets & Societies which is softcover and the same page count but has superior artwork and content and retails for a very reasonable $13.95. Compare Spells & Magic with FFG's School of Illusion: softcover with superior art and content (if more narrowly focused), retailing for $14.95. Or a better comparison might be FFG's Spells & Spellcraft or Path of Magic, which are hardcover with superior art and all around more useful content for the same price and around 80 extra pages. If it's alt.magic a person is after, Atlas has their HC Occult Lore book, or there's Natural 20's Elements of Magic on the pdf front. Another product to take note of is Green Ronin's Plot & Poison (drow book), which is around 200 pages, softcover (B&W/non-glossy), with nice art and phenomenal rules content for $24.95. The book is amazingly good and an excellent value that blows away Ed Greenwood's Drow of the Underdark and Goodman's Complete Book of the Drow, which were both excellent resources but nothing by comparison. I appreciate the desire to make Bastion's books all full color and glossy beautiful, but the content in most cases (IMO) just hasn't measured up to this deluxe treatment when other publishers are selling meatier, crunchier and/or cheaper books. You're not competing with WoTC really; you're competing with these other third party publishers. (Most) everybody is gonna buy the latest WoTC release regardless, and then they go spend their remaining dollars on other companies products. So you'll never outsell WoTC, which I know you don't expect to do. You need to outsell or at least successfully compete against the FFG's, the Green Ronins, the AEGs, the Atlas, etc. These are the real competition, I think. Of course, you're in the biz so you might know many things I don't, but the fact is I tend to ignore Bastion releases because I anticipate they are going to be expensive and slim in page count with bad art and dubious utility. On the other hand, I eagerly await anything from FFG because I feel they give the best value for my dollar (I buy most everything they put out). Other companies I study more closely before purchasing, and Bastion products I read even more closely before buying because they cost so much I can't afford to take a chance on them or buy them for just a few useful bits like I can with other companies. $24.95 for 96 pages is a LOT of money. [/QUOTE]
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