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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TwinBahamut" data-source="post: 4573332" data-attributes="member: 32536">I think you missed my point.It doesn't matter that mooks can't beat important named characters. The important part is that battles always involve characters important to the story, take dramatic turns so that only one side is not constantly winning across the entire length of battle, and have a high level of tension and excitement. In other words, that the battles are interesting. Gundam 00 really hasn't had anything that good quite yet.Irrelevant to my point. My point was that the main character was actually defeated in his first battle (after already wiping out two Aries in one shot), meaning that the first battle of Gundam Wing had both a dramatic reversal and the unexpected defeat of an incredibly powerful mech through fairly ingenious means.That scene was a bit closer to what I have been hoping for, but it wasn't quite it. If nothing else, that was the third time in a row that Setsuna won a battle against a named enemy who was using a state-of-the-art Mobile Suit simply because he pulled out a beam saber (he did the exact same thing against the Enact in episode 1 and the Flag in episode 3). Also, the series did a poor job of selling the tension and risk to the Exia, particularly since Setsuna dismantled the thing's first attack so easily.Ultimately, Setsuna didn't actually suffer any drawbacks or even slight damage from fighting any of the top pilots and best mechs of the three major world powers, and none of the other pilots even faced a real threat.I own Char's Counterattack on DVD, and have watched it several times...I will pretty much just disagree with you on all of your points. You can only make those comparison is you ignore the different context, plot, characterizations, and everything else important about the different series. The First Gundam/Zeta Gundam isn't even factually accurate, considering that those series don't have anything resembling the severe change that occurs regarding the Gundam Wing organizations late in that series. I will go into this in a lot more detail if you like, but it is a bit off-topic so I won't do so now.I would agree with you if you were claiming something like "Gundam SEED is a retread of the original Gundam and SEED Destiny is a retread of Zeta Gundam", since SEED uses the same story structure and uses many of the same characterizations as the original Gundam (Kira=Amuro=the angst-ridden, reluctant, civilian pilot with superhuman ability, Archangel=White Base=the powerful ship that is attacked early and uses a civilian crew, Heliopolis=Side 7=the Island-3 colony located at L3 that builds a ship and Gundams, Andrew Waltfeld=Ramba Ral=sympathetic enemy soldier encountered in the desert who has a plot-important lover), but Gundam Wing differs in many of the essential ways that make the stories of UC Gundam and CE Gundam so similar.This conversation feels like it is drifting further and further away from both my original complaints and the subject of Gundam 00 itself...</blockquote>

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