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<blockquote data-quote="Wolf1066" data-source="post: 5388714" data-attributes="member: 88680"><p>Point taken, but the <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ForgottenPhlebotinum" target="_blank">"Forgotten Phlebotinum"</a> of fireworks and breaching charges is not the only bit of plot-driven stupidity in LOTR - the had a lot of potentially plot-breaking stuff in that universe that, had it been real, would have changed the shape of the world and the plot.</p><p></p><p>The ramifications of any magic that can induce explosions, fire, hallucinations, obscuring mists, or even bright lights would be similar to the ramifications of gun powder in so far as spooking/confusing enemies goes - and possibly more, depending how big a fireball/explosion you can conjure up.</p><p></p><p>Huge flying beasts that can be "domesticated" (or convinced) into use as flying transport (and any form of flight magic) changes the scope of the world immensely - we're talking controlled "powered" flight hundreds of years before we reached the "short-duration tethered hot air balloon" stage in our real history - that's going to have a profound effect on the world even if you don't have gunpowder or any equivalent.</p><p></p><p>An army on largeish aerial creatures flying high above bow range and carrying rocks are going to have serious impact (pun intended) and dictate that the "castles" look nothing like historical terran castles.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wolf1066, post: 5388714, member: 88680"] Point taken, but the [URL="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ForgottenPhlebotinum"]"Forgotten Phlebotinum"[/URL] of fireworks and breaching charges is not the only bit of plot-driven stupidity in LOTR - the had a lot of potentially plot-breaking stuff in that universe that, had it been real, would have changed the shape of the world and the plot. The ramifications of any magic that can induce explosions, fire, hallucinations, obscuring mists, or even bright lights would be similar to the ramifications of gun powder in so far as spooking/confusing enemies goes - and possibly more, depending how big a fireball/explosion you can conjure up. Huge flying beasts that can be "domesticated" (or convinced) into use as flying transport (and any form of flight magic) changes the scope of the world immensely - we're talking controlled "powered" flight hundreds of years before we reached the "short-duration tethered hot air balloon" stage in our real history - that's going to have a profound effect on the world even if you don't have gunpowder or any equivalent. An army on largeish aerial creatures flying high above bow range and carrying rocks are going to have serious impact (pun intended) and dictate that the "castles" look nothing like historical terran castles. [/QUOTE]
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