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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Haltherrion" data-source="post: 5392162" data-attributes="member: 18253">It doesn't take many roving adventurer bands to change things. Moreover, wouldn't normal military activity similar to the Roman Era, early middle ages, high middle ages (most of the eras <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />) result in mid- to high level groups within these forces? These groups could then leave the military or, working within the military, attack enemy strong points. I don't think they would be as rare as you suggest. Would it be easy to create these groups? No. But neither is it easy to make a large stone castle, easy to lay siege, easy to build sophisticated siege weapons, easy to raise fleets. But these castles, fleets, etc. were created repeatedly throughout history because they were so useful. Just like those mid-to-high level adventuring bands might be. You say they are too rare to matter. I say they aren't. Hard to really settle it without setting some baselines for a discussion (which would be better put in another thread if you really want to do it.) Just to be clear, I'm speaking of the equivalent of mid-to-high level adventurers. They don't actually have to be adventuring. Could be veterans from some of the Roman Republican armies. How would you map one of Caeser's seasoned legions into D&D levels? Might be an awful lot of "mid-level adventuring group" equivalents and not a few high level ones. One would assume, of course, that the Romans would have exploited more than just the warrior professions in their armies and have some amount of healers and wizards available as well. They certainly had highly trained surgeons and engineers. In any case, as I stated in my post, this is how I see things. You are free to see it how you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> I'd rather not argue it much further without trying to agree on some starting assumptions.</blockquote>

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