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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5392217" data-attributes="member: 22779">Permanent is open to discussion?&nbsp; How?&nbsp; There is no definition of permanent that isn't, well, forever.&nbsp; That's what permanent means.&nbsp; Now, you can start changing the definitions, but, that's house rule territory and then all gloves are off.Granted dispelling is an issue.&nbsp; Although, it seems a bit disingenious to, on one hand, talk about how incredibly rare a 2nd level cleric spell is, while positing that there are enough casters capable of casting 3rd level spells deliberately trying to destroy the continual flames.&nbsp; Same goes with your demographics.&nbsp; At least in 3e, this is very counter to how the demographics are presented in baseline 3e D&amp;D.&nbsp; Earlier D&amp;D didn't spell it out quite so well, but, numerous towns and whatnot are detailed in supplements and modules that show a fairly large number of higher level NPC's.&nbsp; Certainly in greater numbers than what you are talking about.Again, there's nothing wrong with stating that this is true in your campaign, that's fine.&nbsp; But, when talking about baseline assumptions, we can't really use your or my campaign.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 5392217, member: 22779"] Permanent is open to discussion? How? There is no definition of permanent that isn't, well, forever. That's what permanent means. Now, you can start changing the definitions, but, that's house rule territory and then all gloves are off. Granted dispelling is an issue. Although, it seems a bit disingenious to, on one hand, talk about how incredibly rare a 2nd level cleric spell is, while positing that there are enough casters capable of casting 3rd level spells deliberately trying to destroy the continual flames. Same goes with your demographics. At least in 3e, this is very counter to how the demographics are presented in baseline 3e D&D. Earlier D&D didn't spell it out quite so well, but, numerous towns and whatnot are detailed in supplements and modules that show a fairly large number of higher level NPC's. Certainly in greater numbers than what you are talking about. Again, there's nothing wrong with stating that this is true in your campaign, that's fine. But, when talking about baseline assumptions, we can't really use your or my campaign. [/QUOTE]

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