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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Brutalskars" data-source="post: 5398515" data-attributes="member: 95324">Here is my take on the issue.Look to games like Warhammer and Warcraft. Then take traditional fantasy and look over to DnD: Ebberron.In Ebberron, the tech is built with magic.Instead of saying that science will do away with the magic or be too strong. Scale your technology with the magic of the setting. For example, Warhammer is a dark fantasy, or gothic fantasy, so the firearms and such are more gritty, and primitive.Then look to Ebberron, it has airships and submarines using magic engines using bound elementals.But the real big jump is into the realm of Warcraft, massive battleships like the Skybreaker float in the sky armed with massive earthshaking cannons. And there are train like underground tunnels between the capitals of the humans and the dwarves.Many of the guns are fantastic, since Warcraft is of heroic, flavor heavy of action combat. Rapid fire, innacurate weapons of very small caliber. Then things like the wolfslayer sniper rifle, a long rifle that fires two rounds at a time, it has a revolver like build that holds 12 shots, or 6 double taps effectively. Then we get to magic floating fortresses in Outland, with devices ment to gather magic essence from the world as fuel, or currency for the species called the ethereals. And there are even massive robotic things made by the Burning Legion, a faction of demons. These machines made from demonic metal, powered by pure demonic fire.So?As we can see, technology does have a place in fantasy if you give it one. As I see it, one can also look to Privateer Press, with Hordes and Warmachine. Then take what they wish from that as well. Undead enchanced with metal and clockwork parts. Unhol machines ment to reap the living. All the way to primitive salvaged weapons used by trolls and boar-men.Examples of what I have done in homebrew gaming in random fantasy worlds made with myself and my players. Alchemy, engineering, magic and martial all are able to find homes.We have lizardfolk with towers using mages that channel light spells into prisms and mirrors to create blazing beams of light.We have firearms that find more use to players, multiple barrels to do away with reload times for a short moment. But when reloading it still takes awhile. We go to real world examples, how flintlocks glance off plate, platemail was made around the same time as flintlocks and those firearms. We take the terms heroic fantasy, gothic fantasy, and traditional fantasy and slam them together to get a great balance between the magic and the arteficial.One of the players in my group is an artificer, and he made a new arm for the fighter of the group. Because it was cut off by a cursed weapon that stopped it from ever being healed. So, science found a use.Give it room to interact and find balance. And then make basic rules for gameplay.Bows and crossbows find equal use in our games even by NPCs compared to guns.Mini-bombs like fist sized smoke bombs are fun, even if not practical.Remember guys, dragons are not practical either.Take the excuses and throw them away, give your -fantasy- room to grow and be fantastic.</blockquote>

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