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<blockquote data-quote="Squire James" data-source="post: 48511" data-attributes="member: 548">Hm... I recall a passage in the &quot;Otherworld&quot; series by Tad Williams (where a bunch of unusually-realistic &quot;worlds&quot; existed in an isolated corner of the Net) where &quot;the hobbit world&quot; was left unattended long enough for jet aircraft to be involved in the war.&nbsp; &quot;The Hobbit&quot; did mention that the goblins were skilled at making weapons that would &quot;trouble the world for many years to come&quot; so perhaps the orcs would get them first!Being a gun advocate sounds more like something Saruman (rather than Gandalf) might do.&nbsp; If he didn't fall under Sauron's influence, the War of the Ring would probably had been winnable without destroying the Ring.&nbsp; Even without gunpowder, Gondor backed up by Rohan and Saruman's forces may have kept Sauron from getting across the Great River at all!&nbsp; If Saruman had armed the men of Dunland with muskets, well, I'd see another Last Alliance scenario going here (ie: the fighting happening in Mordor rather than Gondor).&nbsp; Destroying the Ring may not be that big a priority then, and perhaps the alliance would fail to destroy it.&nbsp; Rinse and repeat for the Fourth Age, except the next time it would be a shooting war!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Squire James, post: 48511, member: 548"] Hm... I recall a passage in the "Otherworld" series by Tad Williams (where a bunch of unusually-realistic "worlds" existed in an isolated corner of the Net) where "the hobbit world" was left unattended long enough for jet aircraft to be involved in the war. "The Hobbit" did mention that the goblins were skilled at making weapons that would "trouble the world for many years to come" so perhaps the orcs would get them first! Being a gun advocate sounds more like something Saruman (rather than Gandalf) might do. If he didn't fall under Sauron's influence, the War of the Ring would probably had been winnable without destroying the Ring. Even without gunpowder, Gondor backed up by Rohan and Saruman's forces may have kept Sauron from getting across the Great River at all! If Saruman had armed the men of Dunland with muskets, well, I'd see another Last Alliance scenario going here (ie: the fighting happening in Mordor rather than Gondor). Destroying the Ring may not be that big a priority then, and perhaps the alliance would fail to destroy it. Rinse and repeat for the Fourth Age, except the next time it would be a shooting war! [/QUOTE]

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