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<blockquote data-quote="Knightfall" data-source="post: 4340614" data-attributes="member: 2012">This is great reasoning, and I'd like to take it a step further. All those improvements over time are dependant on a need to improve the technology. In a theoretical world with magic, how can anyone assume that there will be such a need? Magic blows things up without the need for guns and gunpowder, and it has an entire &quot;industry&quot; to support it.Guns would start off as dangerous creations that are as much as a risk to the wielder as the intended target. Plus, arcanists might resent the idea of their &quot;thunder&quot; being stolen and work towards having guns banned depending on how much power arcanists wield in such a world. And if gunpowder is treated as an alchemcal item, then arcanists might feel the power of &quot;the black powder&quot; is better utilized powering their spells and magical creations.Also, think about this question, &quot;what are the chances that the best and brightest minds would willing choose to develop firearms?&quot; Yes, those without any natural ability to learn magic would see the benefit to themselves, but how often are there intelligent and wise characters in a magical, fantasy gaming-world without the ability to learn some form of magic or psionics?Now, perhaps the DM could create an entire race without the ability to learn magic or psionics, and in that case, it would be reasonable to assume that if such a race discovered guns and gunpowder that they would go out of their way to develop it. It would be seen as their saving grace. Imagine a race that is shunned by the world due to their inability to learn even the simplest cantrip. Now, give that race the ability to develop even the simplest flintlocks. What would be the result?Just my 2 cents...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Knightfall, post: 4340614, member: 2012"] This is great reasoning, and I'd like to take it a step further. All those improvements over time are dependant on a need to improve the technology. In a theoretical world with magic, how can anyone assume that there will be such a need? Magic blows things up without the need for guns and gunpowder, and it has an entire "industry" to support it. Guns would start off as dangerous creations that are as much as a risk to the wielder as the intended target. Plus, arcanists might resent the idea of their "thunder" being stolen and work towards having guns banned depending on how much power arcanists wield in such a world. And if gunpowder is treated as an alchemcal item, then arcanists might feel the power of "the black powder" is better utilized powering their spells and magical creations. Also, think about this question, "what are the chances that the best and brightest minds would willing choose to develop firearms?" Yes, those without any natural ability to learn magic would see the benefit to themselves, but how often are there intelligent and wise characters in a magical, fantasy gaming-world without the ability to learn some form of magic or psionics? Now, perhaps the DM could create an entire race without the ability to learn magic or psionics, and in that case, it would be reasonable to assume that if such a race discovered guns and gunpowder that they would go out of their way to develop it. It would be seen as their saving grace. Imagine a race that is shunned by the world due to their inability to learn even the simplest cantrip. Now, give that race the ability to develop even the simplest flintlocks. What would be the result? Just my 2 cents... [/QUOTE]

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