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<blockquote data-quote="Lannon" data-source="post: 342618" data-attributes="member: 7171">Fair enough, HP and AC are a couple things that always bothered me.&nbsp; I always liked the system but those two things have always bothered me.&nbsp; In any case, I think that you are right about the heroic nature od D&amp;D potentially remaining in tact.&nbsp; The problem, for me, is that I just cant put it in my head.&nbsp; Its not that I cant visualize the fantastic elements of D&amp;D or that I just &quot;dont get it.&quot;&nbsp; Instead I simply cannot get into the game, into a D&amp;D game, that uses weapons like these because DMing such a game and making up explanations that do not completely destroy immersion for me is almost impossible.&nbsp; For instance, one fellow meantioned, in another forum, that arrows do not actually stick into the target.&nbsp; Of course they dont, with the abstraction required by D&amp;D we cant have our heroes being viciously spit by some orcs arrow.&nbsp; However, if that is the case how is it that we explain that the arrow that the orc just fired inflicted poison damage, or caused 1d6 additional fire damage.&nbsp; Its remarkable how much this system forces me to close my eyes and say &quot;just believe it happened, just believe it happened.&quot; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; This becomes even more of a problem for me whne the hero is &quot;shot&quot; with a revolver.&nbsp; But of course, the hero wasnt really shot.&nbsp; He threw himself to the ground, it only grazed his arm, it zipped through his clothing, etc etc.&nbsp; The system is not, in my opinion, concrete enough to facilitate immersion in the story when such events occur.&nbsp; Everything falls apart when the pc gets excited about his great attack roll (17) and discovers that he did 1d10 damage to his opponents 100 hit points.&nbsp; He hit him, right?&nbsp; Well no you didnt really hit him...Lannon</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lannon, post: 342618, member: 7171"] Fair enough, HP and AC are a couple things that always bothered me. I always liked the system but those two things have always bothered me. In any case, I think that you are right about the heroic nature od D&D potentially remaining in tact. The problem, for me, is that I just cant put it in my head. Its not that I cant visualize the fantastic elements of D&D or that I just "dont get it." Instead I simply cannot get into the game, into a D&D game, that uses weapons like these because DMing such a game and making up explanations that do not completely destroy immersion for me is almost impossible. For instance, one fellow meantioned, in another forum, that arrows do not actually stick into the target. Of course they dont, with the abstraction required by D&D we cant have our heroes being viciously spit by some orcs arrow. However, if that is the case how is it that we explain that the arrow that the orc just fired inflicted poison damage, or caused 1d6 additional fire damage. Its remarkable how much this system forces me to close my eyes and say "just believe it happened, just believe it happened." :) This becomes even more of a problem for me whne the hero is "shot" with a revolver. But of course, the hero wasnt really shot. He threw himself to the ground, it only grazed his arm, it zipped through his clothing, etc etc. The system is not, in my opinion, concrete enough to facilitate immersion in the story when such events occur. Everything falls apart when the pc gets excited about his great attack roll (17) and discovers that he did 1d10 damage to his opponents 100 hit points. He hit him, right? Well no you didnt really hit him... Lannon [/QUOTE]

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