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<blockquote data-quote="Caliburn101" data-source="post: 6904844" data-attributes="member: 6802178">Rpgs always use flintlock - nothing earlier.Medieval plate wasn't used against firearms except for a vanishingly short period of history and of course there were Japanese varieties for as very short period as well.Plate died off as it didn't stop people dying, or being badly wounded with any reliability against firearms. I'm ex-military and an enthusiast whose seen demo's live, not just old videos with optimal conditions for the armour as part of the setup. There is a significant different between 14th century medieval plate and proofed plate. Proofed is very heavy. Just try melee'ing in proofed full-plate of proof like an rpg character does, or even worse, adventure for a day and you'll see for yourself - or merely walk about with similar weight in webbing.Plus of course the 'armour worked against firearms' ALWAYS points out the handily chosen cherry picked corner case of reinforced plate and very early guns - it never talks about every other type of armour.Show me a video of brigandine, leather or chainmail stopping a bullet or stop talking nonsense about how armour works vs. musket shot.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Caliburn101, post: 6904844, member: 6802178"] Rpgs always use flintlock - nothing earlier. Medieval plate wasn't used against firearms except for a vanishingly short period of history and of course there were Japanese varieties for as very short period as well. Plate died off as it didn't stop people dying, or being badly wounded with any reliability against firearms. I'm ex-military and an enthusiast whose seen demo's live, not just old videos with optimal conditions for the armour as part of the setup. There is a significant different between 14th century medieval plate and proofed plate. Proofed is very heavy. Just try melee'ing in proofed full-plate of proof like an rpg character does, or even worse, adventure for a day and you'll see for yourself - or merely walk about with similar weight in webbing. Plus of course the 'armour worked against firearms' ALWAYS points out the handily chosen cherry picked corner case of reinforced plate and very early guns - it never talks about every other type of armour. Show me a video of brigandine, leather or chainmail stopping a bullet or stop talking nonsense about how armour works vs. musket shot. [/QUOTE]

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