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<blockquote data-quote="Jürgen Hubert" data-source="post: 3581085" data-attributes="member: 7177"><p>Well, skill values that high are basically only useful if you are expecting penalties to your skill rolls.</p><p></p><p>Which aren't all that uncommon, all things to be considered. Sure, you won't get penalties in "standard" situations, but combat hardly qualifies as "standard". Range penalties are a killer, and anyone who can be accurate over very long ranges will certainly appreciate the extra points he put into the skill.</p><p></p><p>And there are options in melee, too. For example, for hitting a specific limb (if you use different hit locations). Or, in 4E, the option to attack twice with a balanced weapon in one round (I think you take either a -4 or -6 penalty to both rolls), or lowering the defenses of your opponents (for each -2 you take on your attack roll, the defense value of your opponent goes down by -1).</p><p></p><p>And, of course, even non-combat skils will have more difficult applications. Normal people do well in standard situations, but true masters will succeed even under the most difficult conditions.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think in 4E efforts were made not to increase the dice beyond 6d6 - everything else is done with multipliers.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In general, the way you spend your points is much more balanced in 4E...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Could you perhaps give some more specific examples of things you had trouble with?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I thought it all was pretty simple. Create a list of thematically appropriate advantages for a certain power, asking questions such as: "What should an Earth Mage be able to do?", "What can you do with a power that manipulated probability?", figure out the Power Modifier, and you are done.</p><p></p><p>Creating a new power took me rarely longer than 15 minutes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jürgen Hubert, post: 3581085, member: 7177"] Well, skill values that high are basically only useful if you are expecting penalties to your skill rolls. Which aren't all that uncommon, all things to be considered. Sure, you won't get penalties in "standard" situations, but combat hardly qualifies as "standard". Range penalties are a killer, and anyone who can be accurate over very long ranges will certainly appreciate the extra points he put into the skill. And there are options in melee, too. For example, for hitting a specific limb (if you use different hit locations). Or, in 4E, the option to attack twice with a balanced weapon in one round (I think you take either a -4 or -6 penalty to both rolls), or lowering the defenses of your opponents (for each -2 you take on your attack roll, the defense value of your opponent goes down by -1). And, of course, even non-combat skils will have more difficult applications. Normal people do well in standard situations, but true masters will succeed even under the most difficult conditions. I think in 4E efforts were made not to increase the dice beyond 6d6 - everything else is done with multipliers. In general, the way you spend your points is much more balanced in 4E... Could you perhaps give some more specific examples of things you had trouble with? I thought it all was pretty simple. Create a list of thematically appropriate advantages for a certain power, asking questions such as: "What should an Earth Mage be able to do?", "What can you do with a power that manipulated probability?", figure out the Power Modifier, and you are done. Creating a new power took me rarely longer than 15 minutes. [/QUOTE]
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