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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 2665613" data-attributes="member: 177">Yes, I read it.  My apologies if I didn't get out of it what you intended.  Note that I specifically reported what you seemed to be saying.  I did that because there's always the possibility of miscommunication, and not admitting that possibility is hubristic.  I'd take it as a kindness if you'd do me the favor of considering that possibility yourself, rather than suggest that I didn't read at all.  I already did admit that I wasn't familiar with the newest addition (but nobody's suggested that the new edition has things that make it particularly faster).  Back with previous editions, when I formed my opinion, I was quite familiar with both.  I used GURPS for a couple of major adventure design projects and had to get pretty solid on the nitty-gritty before I was done.    It took longer for my players to grasp GURPS in detail than d20 in detail, and even after getting up to speed, GURPS ran more slowly in combat.  Sorry, but that's the way it worked out.I've never had problems with how quickly the rules worked outside of combat, but one hardly notices any game mechanic when you're not in a scene that needs lots of task resolution.Sorry - this is why I noted it as perhaps unintientional.  It is rather easily inferred from, "Excluding rabid fanboys and haters from either side of the aisle, I'll try to give you an objective assessment."  That's implying that someone has to be in those other camps, now doesn't it?  You shouldn't be surprised when someone starts to think about who you mean by that <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Some of this may stem to a difference in terminology.  Where I come from, objectivity isn't about "fair and balanced reporting".  It is about universal truth - the speed of light in vacuum is an objective fact, measurable as the same by everyone.  An objective report is listing things that all people will find to be true.  Your opinion of GURPS is dependant upon your personal experience, and therefore subjective.</blockquote>

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