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Message: <blockquote data-quote="monboesen" data-source="post: 2809575" data-attributes="member: 4647">IMO its a bad idea to wash out penalties that already have been countered by a bonus (an extra feat in this case). You might as well flat out allow more feats in that case. And to me it seems counter intuituve for a fighter to have those drawbacks. Why (or een how) would she be a fighter if she is basically completely unsuited. Charisma has nothing to do with beauty or grace. It's your force of personality. Plenty of people who are not considered beutiful have powerful charisma, are generally well liked and can easily influence people.Monkey grip is a bad feat for this character. Power attack will be far better. Allows for extra damage by reducing your chance to hit. Just like monkey grip. Only you have more options and is opens up for other nice feats, like cleave.Two weapon fighting is definately not the way to go for a bladesinger. Bladesingers need one hand free to cast spells and most of their class abilities comes with the following requirement "When wielding a rapier or longsword in one hand and nothing in the other, ...."As Bladesingers will naturally go for high intelligence I find that the swashbuckler class from the same book is a better choise for fighter levels in a bladesinger build.Like thisSwashbuckler 3/Wizard 2/Elf paragon 3Lady Gwindylin of Varnaith, Bladesinger in Training- Type: medium humanoid (elf, grey elf subtype)- Description: 7 feet, 180 pounds, lithe and slender, long black hair, grey eyes, pale skin- Character level 8, class level swashbuckler 3rd / mage 2nd/ elf paragon 3rd, alignment neutral good- Abilities: strength 15, dexterity 18, constitution 14, intelligence 22, wisdom 11, charisma 12- Base saves: Fort +4, Ref +4, Will +4- Adjusted saves: Fort +6, Ref +9, Will +4- Hit dice (hit points) : 3d10+6, 1d4+2, 3d8+6 (51 hit points)- Armor class: 18, touch 13, flat footed 14 (+1 dodge where applicable)- Initiative: +4 (+4 dex)- Speed: 30 feet (6 squares), space/reach: 5 feet/5 feet- BAB/grapple: +5/+7- Attacks: rapier +10 (1d6+2 (+6 precision) 18-20/x2), composite longbow ranged +9 (1d8+2 20/x3, ri 100 ft) - Special attacks: spells- Special qualities: summon familiar, elf traits (+4 int, -2 con, +4 racial to saves (enchantment/charm), racial immunity (sleep), low-light vision, racial martial weapon proficiencies (longsword, rapier, longbow, composite longbow, shortbow, composite shortbow), racial skill bonuses (+2 listen, +4 search, +4 spot), racial detection (secret doors), racial languages common and elven, favored class wizard)-Skills: Balance (6 ranks), Concentration (4 ranks), Perform (2 ranks), Perform (2 ranks), Tumble (6 ranks). Unspent skillpoints: Swashbuckler 34 points, Wizard 3 points, Elf paragon 21 points.- Feats: 1/Dodge, 3/Combat expertise, 6/Combat casting, Weapon finesseb, Weapon focus (rapier)b, -Spells: As a 3rd level wizard.From here on she is all ready to take Bladesinger levels.</blockquote>

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