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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 2812250" data-attributes="member: 2020">Does something Yours Truly has never done before, on any messageboard, since first coming to the Internet.  Uses the quote feature.  Well rats.  You're quite right.  The 3d4 applies only once.  The +3 bonus would apply to all attacks, however - it is specific about that.  Yes, but in this case the Bladesong style only confers a +1 to AC.  Gwendilyn is sacrificing defense for offense.  She'd consider that an acceptable trade off, if finishing off a monster quickly was the priority.   I was using the whole of the +7/+2.  I thought you could only take your BAB, meaning you could add +7 to your primary hand, and +2 to your off-hand, but not more than that.  Are you saying that, with power attack, you can (with BAB +7/+2) add +7/+7 to damage?   If so, Gwendilyn (her total attack bonus is +12/+7) would drop to an attack bonus of +5/+0. (-7/-7 for power attack.)  Then, she'd add +3 for arcane strike, for a final bonus of +8/+3 (what you had.)  In THAT case, however, she would add +7 to all her attacks.  I was calculating she could only add 2 to her off-hand attacks with power attack, because her off-hand BAB was +2.  Was I wrong?  (I hope I was wrong.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  )Primary hand damage: 1d6+7 + 5 (Power Attack) + 3d4 arcane strike = 1d6+12 + 3d4 = 23 average (or 1d6+7+7(Power Attack) + 3d4, for 25). Secondary hand damage: 1d4+7 +0 (Power Attack cannot add damage to Light weapons, but the penalty to attack is applied) + 0 arcane strike (applies to one weapon only) = 9.5 average.   If you cannot add power attack to light weapons, then Gwendilyn would use a rapier in her off-hand, accepting the -4/-4 penalty.  She'd drop the rapier in her off-hand if she desired to employ the Bladesong Style.    Thus:  Primary hand rapier:  1d6 +1 str +6 int +7 power attack +3d4 arcane strike = 24 points of damage on average.  Secondary hand rapier:  1d6 +1 str +6 int +7 power attack (IF you can add the full +7 primary BAB to your off-hand strike ... can you?) = 18 points of damage on average.  A total of 40 points of damage.More like +11/+11/+6 (or +9/+9/+4).   Gwendilyn has an attack bonus of +12/+7.  Her BAB, however, is +7/+2.  If she casts Haste, she gains +1 to her attack bonus (all rolls.)  If she is carrying a rapier in both hands, she is -4/-4, so her attack bonus is modified to +9/+4.  I'm guessing that is she drops all of her +7 BAB into damage, she drops another 7 to +2/-3 for her final attack bonus.  (Is that right?)  Gwendilyn would not cast Haste in the middle of combat.  She does not have the Song of Celerity yet!  Gwendilyn would cast Haste prior to combat.  In combat, she'd dump it into Arcane Strike.  True.  Thus, Gwendilyn would use Arcane Strike for the very reason that she has to kill the monster before it kills her.  The only way in toe to toe combat to do that is by massive damage.  Note I haven't given Gwendilyn any magical items.  She is entitled to magical items for 9th level.  What items would you suggest for her?  That's why the Barbarian is known as the Big, Bad Barbarian.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  If Gwendilyn had 17 strength, her attack with the rapier would be 1d6 +3 (str) + 6 (int) + power attack and/or arcane strike.  You say Haste grants only one additional attack.  I read that, but ...  Are you sure this applies when one is striking with a weapon in either hand?  If so, then (assumes Bull's Strength, Fox's Cunning, Haste)  Primary hand rapier 1st attack:  1d6 +3 str +8 int + 7 power attack + 3d4 arcane strike = 29 points average.  Primary hand rapier 2nd attack:  1d6 +3 str +8 int + 7 power attack  = 22 points average.  Secondary hand rapier 1st attack:  1d6 +3 str +8 int + 7 power attack = 22 points average.  Extra attack rapier:  1d6 +3 str +8 int + 7 power attack = 22 points average.  That's still 95 points of damage.  It's not 180 points, but 95 is a lot of damage for a 9th level character to hurl (without any magical items or magical weapons, even!)</blockquote>

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