Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
GWF vs TWF: The Math
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 6327936" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p>Since a lot of people have asked the question, lets look at the math. Between GWF and TWF...is either one strictly superior?</p><p></p><p>All situations are compared against a AC 16 character.</p><p></p><p>Note: DPR = Damage Per Round.</p><p></p><p><strong>1st Level Fighter, with no fighting styles of note</strong> (they took that sweet +1 to AC!)</p><p></p><p>Str: +3, Prof +2. </p><p></p><p>TWF: 2 d6 weapons. DPR: 5.35</p><p>GWF: 1 2d6 weapon. DPR: 5.35</p><p></p><p>Winner: Tied.</p><p>This one is a complete tie. Both style do the same damage, even if you modify the beginning strength. It depends on whether you want your damage in small chunks with better to hit, or a massive attack that misses more often. Considering the potential for damage overkill (and the fact that sometimes you just need to hit) I would give the slight edge to TWF, but its really a style preference.</p><p></p><p><strong>1st Level Fighter, using the various fighting styles</strong></p><p>Str: +3, Prof +2. </p><p></p><p>TWF: 2 d6 weapons. DPR: 7.2</p><p>GWF: 1 2d6 weapon. DPR: 6.5</p><p></p><p>Winner: TWF</p><p>The TWF fighting style provides more damage and a greater chance to hit. It is strictly the superior choice at the early levels.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>8th level Fighter, no fighting styles</strong></p><p>Str: +5, Prof +3. Crit on 19-20. 2 attacks as base. </p><p></p><p>TWF: 2 d6 weapons. DPR: 14.375</p><p>GWF: 1 2d6 weapon. DPR: 17</p><p></p><p>Winner: GWF</p><p>As the number of attacks increase, TWF's one bonus attack starts to make less of an impact.</p><p></p><p><strong>8th level Fighter, with styles</strong></p><p>Str: +5, Prof +3. Crit on 19-20. 2 attacks as base. </p><p></p><p>TWF: 2 d6 weapons. DPR: 17.63</p><p>GWF: 1 2d6 weapon. DPR: 18.99</p><p></p><p>Winner: GWF</p><p>The difference is a little less now, as the TWF fighting style ultimately does more good than the GWF one does. However its not enough to overcome GWF damage advantage.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>A quick look at the cleric and rogue</strong></p><p></p><p>Bonus damage that applies on both or either attacks always favors the style with more attacks. As such, the clerics divine strike (and buff spells that affects their attacks) and the rogue's sneak attack favor TWF straight up. Because these class do not get extra attacks like the fighter, GWF never gets a chance to come back in terms of damage.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>In summary, optimal play for damage</strong></p><p></p><p>Fighter (1-4): TWF with style</p><p>Fighter (5-20): GWF with style</p><p>Cleric (1-7): Either style...unless using certain buff spells.</p><p>Cleric (8-20): TWF</p><p>Rogue (1-20): TWF with sneak attack</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Stalker0, post: 6327936, member: 5889"] Since a lot of people have asked the question, lets look at the math. Between GWF and TWF...is either one strictly superior? All situations are compared against a AC 16 character. Note: DPR = Damage Per Round. [B]1st Level Fighter, with no fighting styles of note[/B] (they took that sweet +1 to AC!) Str: +3, Prof +2. TWF: 2 d6 weapons. DPR: 5.35 GWF: 1 2d6 weapon. DPR: 5.35 Winner: Tied. This one is a complete tie. Both style do the same damage, even if you modify the beginning strength. It depends on whether you want your damage in small chunks with better to hit, or a massive attack that misses more often. Considering the potential for damage overkill (and the fact that sometimes you just need to hit) I would give the slight edge to TWF, but its really a style preference. [B]1st Level Fighter, using the various fighting styles[/B] Str: +3, Prof +2. TWF: 2 d6 weapons. DPR: 7.2 GWF: 1 2d6 weapon. DPR: 6.5 Winner: TWF The TWF fighting style provides more damage and a greater chance to hit. It is strictly the superior choice at the early levels. [B]8th level Fighter, no fighting styles[/B] Str: +5, Prof +3. Crit on 19-20. 2 attacks as base. TWF: 2 d6 weapons. DPR: 14.375 GWF: 1 2d6 weapon. DPR: 17 Winner: GWF As the number of attacks increase, TWF's one bonus attack starts to make less of an impact. [B]8th level Fighter, with styles[/B] Str: +5, Prof +3. Crit on 19-20. 2 attacks as base. TWF: 2 d6 weapons. DPR: 17.63 GWF: 1 2d6 weapon. DPR: 18.99 Winner: GWF The difference is a little less now, as the TWF fighting style ultimately does more good than the GWF one does. However its not enough to overcome GWF damage advantage. [B]A quick look at the cleric and rogue[/B] Bonus damage that applies on both or either attacks always favors the style with more attacks. As such, the clerics divine strike (and buff spells that affects their attacks) and the rogue's sneak attack favor TWF straight up. Because these class do not get extra attacks like the fighter, GWF never gets a chance to come back in terms of damage. [B]In summary, optimal play for damage[/B] Fighter (1-4): TWF with style Fighter (5-20): GWF with style Cleric (1-7): Either style...unless using certain buff spells. Cleric (8-20): TWF Rogue (1-20): TWF with sneak attack [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
GWF vs TWF: The Math
Top