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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Iron_Chef" data-source="post: 1349271" data-attributes="member: 4530">All this talk of "elitist snob Harniacs" being a reason not to play a game or even check out the rules (especially when they're FREE in this day and age of the $30-65 core rulebook) seems pointless to me. Every system has its elitist snobs, from d20 to Warhammer to HarnMaster. It's only natural for people to gravitate toward one system that they prefer and think is the best (for their needs). Extolling the virtues of their "dream game" is also only natural, and can, to those unfamiliar with it or uninterested (for whatever reason), come off as sounding "elitist" when what they mean to sound is "enthusiastic". On message boards and chat rooms, we miss out on subtle body language and inflections, easily misinterpreting other's remarks as being something they were not intended to be. Throw in improper usage of words such as "abysmal" and you see how fires can be stoked accidentally. *cough* (Dongmaster)  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":o" title="Eek!    :o"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":o" /> I am not offended by any any of the posts so far, but I really wish this bickering over whether or not Byron D was offended by notions of elitism on the Harn forum would go away. IMO, it's only interesting to Byron D and a handful of harniacs who seek to disprove him---it has nothing to do with what this thread should be about: the HarnMaster rules set and all things Harn, and/or how they compare and contrast to d20 and other systems. I'm sure Byron D believes there was elitism on the Harn boards and I'm sure the harniacs believe there wasn't, or not a significant majority of elitism, at any rate, seeing as how it's impossible not to have at least *some* elitism on any forum. If you think ENWorld or d20 is free of its fair share of elitism, more power to you...  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  My point is, if Byron D and anyone else want to belabor this unwinnable argument any further, they should wage it by email and spare the rest of us from this irritating distraction. Can we please get back to discussing HarnMaster rules or the HarnWorld setting? Stay on topic, people!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad    :mad:"  data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" /></blockquote>

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