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<blockquote data-quote="Gromm" data-source="post: 144791" data-attributes="member: 2245">You'd have to do actual damage to him, not subdual damage. Which is the issue if I recall.As far as ECL, the current ECL rules put this guy at somewhere around level 15. Troll +11, 1/2 Dragon +4, with no classes (IIRC on the ECLs).So hes unkillable, but with as few hit points as he's likely to have at CR 15, hes not unstoppable. Not to mention his utterly worthless Will save will make him held/traitor anytime anyone tries to take him over.Personally, Id rather have any 15th level character, but its an interesting idea.How he'd probably die? Only if the rest of the party was down, or there was a planned effort to kill him.Then its not so hard. KO him with subdual damage and then walk over and take off the ring (or cut off the hand whatever). Douse with lots of acid arrows/acid attacks. Hes killable, just not in most situations (hell he can't be properly digested by most things).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gromm, post: 144791, member: 2245"] You'd have to do actual damage to him, not subdual damage. Which is the issue if I recall. As far as ECL, the current ECL rules put this guy at somewhere around level 15. Troll +11, 1/2 Dragon +4, with no classes (IIRC on the ECLs). So hes unkillable, but with as few hit points as he's likely to have at CR 15, hes not unstoppable. Not to mention his utterly worthless Will save will make him held/traitor anytime anyone tries to take him over. Personally, Id rather have any 15th level character, but its an interesting idea. How he'd probably die? Only if the rest of the party was down, or there was a planned effort to kill him. Then its not so hard. KO him with subdual damage and then walk over and take off the ring (or cut off the hand whatever). Douse with lots of acid arrows/acid attacks. Hes killable, just not in most situations (hell he can't be properly digested by most things). [/QUOTE]

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